From stokely@erim.org Mon Dec 13 05:59:43 1993 Received: from topd475a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA02337; Mon, 13 Dec 93 05:59:37 -0800 Received: by topd475a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01673; Mon, 13 Dec 93 09:00:06 EST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 09:00:06 EST Message-Id: <9312131400.AA01673@topd475a.erim.org> To: simone@fido.wps.com From: stokely@tod475a.erim.org Sender: stokely@erim.org In-Reply-To: Simone Pia's message of Fri, 10 Dec 1993 14:46:57 -0800 (PST) <9312102246.AA01055@wps.com> Subject: Hey Simone ! Status: OR Hey Simone ! You guessed right ... topd475a.erim.org. This flips me out that you sent me mail because I just had a dream last night that you started your own computer business and lived in a house with antique furniture. So what's for lunch ? (sorry its just a habit) I have been eating Healthy Choice for about two weeks straight and I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE !!!! The mandatory 44 hour work week has stolen everybody's lunch hour. I really need some beautiful eggs and about 4 glasses of ice tea !! Well, how is it out there ? Let's see... it's probably warm and sunny, you don't have to work and you're far away from Dearborn Heights and all of its wonderful inhabitants. I am looking forward to some five day weekends in the next few weeks. Too bad I will be running around like an idiot buying presents and visting in-laws. Speaking of in-laws ... Vickie is having twins !! Brian is looking into a train trip to Toronto to see Phantom early next year. That should be a fun get-away ... cold but fun. Take it easy Simone and write back soon ! - Susan From stokely@erim.org Fri Dec 17 08:12:25 1993 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA21492; Fri, 17 Dec 93 08:12:21 -0800 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18984; Fri, 17 Dec 93 11:12:51 EST Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 11:12:51 EST From: stokely@erim.org (Susan Stokely) Message-Id: <9312171612.AA18984@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com In-Reply-To: Simone Pia's message of Thu, 9 Dec 1993 22:55:16 -0800 (PST) <9312100655.AA09377@wps.com> Status: OR Hi again, I was just making sure that my first mail message made it to you. Hey, where are you logging in ? When I did finger it said World Power Systems (wps.com) temporary home for The Little Garden (admin.tlg.rg.net) Today is our department potluck Christmas luncheon. I am of course working in the kitchen/computer room. There is tons of food in here! Brownies,cookies, candied almonds, cake ! All the main food groups! Bye Simone. Susan From szelc@erim.org Tue Dec 21 12:57:16 1993 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA04520; Tue, 21 Dec 93 12:57:06 -0800 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18340; Tue, 21 Dec 93 15:57:38 EST Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 15:57:38 EST From: szelc@erim.org (Dawn Szelc) Message-Id: <9312212057.AA18340@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com Subject: How's Life? Status: OR Hi! Well you certainly picked a fine time to leave. ERIM is going down the shit-can fast. The first round of layoffs were not too extensive. Larry Joyce got hit - he turned 55 two days after he had to leave and would thus have been eligible for VIRP. Nice, eh! The next round is starting to build steam. Lots of secret meetings are going on. I have sent my resume out to about 15 or so companies so far. Have not heard anything positive, but have not heard anything negative either. The charge numbers are few and far between and what there is to work on is incredibly boring. I struggle to stay awake all day. There is no one interesting to talk to around here, although it is nice having my own office (don't take it personally, I do miss you!). I have you nameplate from the office, I'll send it to you as a late Xmas present. How are your folks taking the whole situation? I assume they are bummed that you are not coming home for Xmas. I had this dream around Thanksgiving that you came back to visit. I said "Simone do you want to go to Seva for lunch? You said "no, let's go to the Old German". I was so bummed cuz the Old German is the last place a vegetarian would want to go. What a nightmare, I was glad to wake up and find it was only a dream. You're still eating interesting vegetarian concoctions aren't you? Well I need to go pick up the munchkin. Just thought I would drop a line. Dawn Szelc From wright@erim.org Wed Dec 22 05:12:54 1993 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA07777; Wed, 22 Dec 93 05:12:48 -0800 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25229; Wed, 22 Dec 93 08:13:19 EST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 08:13:19 EST From: wright@erim.org (Tim Wright) Message-Id: <9312221313.AA25229@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com Subject: Merry Christmas Status: OR Hi Simone Saw your card you sent to the department so I thought I would drop you a note. Glad you are enjoying San Fransicso (sp). We don't have much snow yet, but a little in the mornings which is melted by afternoon. As you can imagine, ERIM is not doing so well right now. There is a lot of people with no work in January, including me. But there seems to be some hope down the line. I think ERIM will survive but with less employees. On positive news, the Executive on the Sun is moving along. The core works just needs a lot of touch up. And I have only 4 more months of school before I am done withe my masters! Have a great Christmas and Happy New Year! Tim Wright From carrara@erim.org Wed Dec 22 05:54:08 1993 Received: from spsd630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA07942; Wed, 22 Dec 93 05:54:02 -0800 Received: by spsd630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21280; Wed, 22 Dec 93 08:54:32 EST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 08:54:32 EST From: carrara@erim.org (walt carrara) Message-Id: <9312221354.AA21280@spsd630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com Subject: Hi & MC! Status: OR Hi Simone, Merry Christmas! And what is World Power Systems? Looks like we're going to have a white Christmas. ERIM still exists. Ask again next month. Walt From esmith@erim.org Wed Dec 22 11:09:41 1993 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA08742; Wed, 22 Dec 93 11:09:34 -0800 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00190; Wed, 22 Dec 93 14:10:06 EST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 14:10:06 EST From: esmith@erim.org (Eric Smith) Message-Id: <9312221910.AA00190@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com Subject: Merry Christmas! Status: OR Merry Christmas. You are missing a white Christmas! Sounds like you are enjoying San Fran. Have you gone to Fry's Electronics yet? Talk to you later, Eric From IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Wed Jan 5 18:59:51 1994 Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA04183; Wed, 5 Jan 94 18:59:46 -0800 From: IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Received: from cw-f1.umd.umich.edu by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08157; Wed, 5 Jan 94 21:59:11 EST Received: from CW-F1/MAIL_INN by cw-f1.umd.umich.edu (Mercury 1.1); Wed, 5 Jan 94 22:13:38 EDT Organization: University of Michigan-Dearborn To: simone@wps.com Date: Wed, 5 Jan 1994 22:13:26 EST5EDT Subject: hi there simone X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1) Message-Id: <54474F7697E@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu> Status: OR hi simone! i'm so glad you wrote. I'm feeling a little crazy tonight. No I did not finish anything i was supposed to over break, but i relaxed and had a great time with susan. i'm sorry johnny is being such a wierdo, he is a boy though and although we love them, i think it's just a certain reality that we have to deal with that they are wierdos. oh well, what can we do. i remember sf though, there's alot of cute boys so i wouldn't worry too much, if anything the fling was a good warm up. i hope that doesn't sound callous, you didn't fall in love did you? my advice would be a little cold if you did..you know i care. well, the karen thing is going well..she's been really sweet and i miss her alot, especially now that i'm back in school. umd is a real drag without her. today i found out that i can't register for next term until i come up with some cash to pay for the last one..i'm freaking out...this is not a good sign..it's only the first day of class..i talked to my dad though and i think he might be able to help if i get desperate enough...we'll see..it'll be really tragic if i can't go...it'll totally screw up my plans for the next two years..i won't be coming in february..i'm waiting until july when i can stay longer and will be stress free except for the field work i'm going to do..over break i made some contacts for my project and i think i'm going to new york in feb. instead. there's a huge scene there and i have a friend that i can stay with. this term is going to be murder too, but that won't bother me if it gets paid for. i'm feeling pretty focused and very determined to achieve the genius status..no problem right...susan read my fairy tale..we are going to work on it together next summer..this summer i'll be in france with my dream girl..(smile) anyway who knows we could end up publishing..that would be great..then susan and i will be famous and a little richer..of course we'll share the wealth..i hope you find a job soon, although i can perfectly understand you feeling so reluctant about it...i know i was...well, you know me i could write forever, but i should go back and study..oh thank you for the card and the pictures, they turned out pretty good. as soon as i get some brushes i'll paint. i loved the card it was very funny and very appropriate. well, write again soon i'll be at school seven days a week. this place is deserted now, i think i'll go home...it's a little depressing here...take care hugs and kisses and ta ta...i miss you too! From stokely@erim.org Mon Jan 10 06:54:03 1994 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA27931; Mon, 10 Jan 94 06:53:59 -0800 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04324; Mon, 10 Jan 94 09:54:31 EST Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 09:54:31 EST Message-Id: <9401101454.AA04324@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com From: stokely@erim.org Sender: stokely@erim.org In-Reply-To: Simone Pia's message of Tue, 4 Jan 1994 23:54:04 -0800 (PST) <9401050754.AA27511@wps.com> Subject: Hey Hey Hey Status: OR Hi Simone ! I glad that you are enjoying the good life in San Francisco. Raisin toast and oatmeal! I thought you were going to be experiencing some exotic foods there ! My mom fed me raisin toast and oatmeal until I was about 12 years old! So what else have you been doing besides eating strange food combinations? I have been craving huevos hermoses ( I'm sure that is spelt rong). Finally, I broke down, tossed my dry, cold pizza in the trash and called up Cafe Marie. I'm not sure that they do much carry-out business but they will be hearing from me every couple of weeks. The work situation here is still pretty secure for me - at least for now. They will be cutting throats sometime this month. It just sucks working for a sick company. I hope they get something figured out soon. They've taken away our water now. What's next, the lights, the heat, the chairs ??? It was -3 degrees (Farenheight)this morning and it might hit 20 degreestoday! We have about 10 inches of snow but it is too damn cold to go sledding or skiing. Katie can't even make a snowman with this crunchy stuff. I think we'll wait til spring to go to Toronto. I am very sorry you need gloves sometimes. Aerobics is still going good. The classes have been more full (and fun) recently because people want to pay for their holiday binges. I am going to a funk workshop next month that should be fun. (It's free too) Linda got her eyelids done and is trying to deny it with black circles around her eyes. She hid from us for about a week. That's all the news and gossip for now. Bye ....... Susan From wright@erim.org Tue Jan 11 10:57:56 1994 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA02207; Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:57:52 -0800 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17019; Tue, 11 Jan 94 13:58:29 EST Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 13:58:29 EST From: wright@erim.org (Tim Wright) Message-Id: <9401111858.AA17019@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com In-Reply-To: Simone Pia's message of Wed, 5 Jan 1994 13:23:46 -0800 (PST) <9401052123.AA03067@wps.com> Subject: Howdy Status: OR Hi Simone Well, I am trying to keep busy at ERIM. It is getting to the point where I am not sure what I will be working on tomorrow. I have a lot of job possiblities but nothing for sure. Yes, the executive port to sun now works. But I am not sure if anyone will ever use it. Somebody will probably dig it up 10, 20 years from now and say this is really neat! People just don't want to put the time and money in it now, considering the situation. Still enjoying SF? How about the map? Still useful or have you memorized it yet? Are you getting tired of unemployment? Sometimes I wish I was unemployed, must be nice. See Ya Tim From IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Mon Jan 17 10:06:19 1994 Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA09955; Mon, 17 Jan 94 10:06:13 -0800 From: IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Received: from cw-f1.umd.umich.edu by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18331; Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:05:37 EST Received: from CW-F1/MAIL_INN by cw-f1.umd.umich.edu (Mercury 1.1); Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:07:28 EDT Organization: University of Michigan-Dearborn To: simone@wps.com (Simone Pia) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 13:07:16 EST5EDT Subject: hi simone! X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1) Message-Id: <46B94051EF@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu> Status: OR how are you? i'm sorry to hear about johnny's crazy and unexplainable behavior-men are wierd, we love them, but they are wierd-i know you agree. i'm feeling pretty productive today, which is good because i have to write two papers and study for a final today-ugh! after this week though everything should fall into the normal pace of insanity as opposed to this unbelievable pressure i'm experiencing now. i talked to karen the other day, well actually two days in a row-will i ever get to france this way? i couldn't help myself- i had just gotten off work and i felt this incredible urge to call, almost like she was willing me to-or that i was just lonely. well, it turned out that i called her a half hour before she was leaving for her first real day in the "field". she was so nervous and scared. she couldn't believe i called her-it was wierd. just love i suppose. then the next night the same thing happened, and once again she was feeling very down and lonely...she's having a hard time with her boyfriend-Laurent(pronounced with that silly french nasal sound- haha). anyway, he has already become used to her being there and she's feeling very taken for granted and unsupported. the problem is she keeps comparing him to me (not my problem) which i guess he's failing miserably. i tried to tell her to give him a chance, especially since she has to live with him for the next 7 months. it's so hard to just be her friend, while trying to tell her not to love me in the way i want her and to give laurent a chance-sounds like the blaise story revisited. oh well, time will tell..i am very excited though-selfishly- that i treated her better and she loves me more..overall, i'm sorry she's unhappy, but i'm glad to know she loves me.. i hope you get that apartment, it sounds great- i can't wait to come and visit..i'm not sure if it'll be this summer or not. samer quit working at delta- i can't say i'm surprised, very disappointed, but not surprised. so we'll see. good luck with work and dance. i'm so happy for you simone- it seems that very soon everything will fall into place for you. well, i have to get to work, if i start to feel crazy again, i'll write later. tell dina i said hi, i'll write later and of course, you can share the message..tell josh to write to me, i miss him alot and i want to know how he's doing and what kind of trouble he's getting into..ok- this is getting to be a long see ya, so i'll say bye now. love tina From IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Mon Jan 17 15:26:09 1994 Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA11463; Mon, 17 Jan 94 15:26:05 -0800 Received: from cw-f1.umd.umich.edu by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19418; Mon, 17 Jan 94 18:25:31 EST Received: from CW-F1/MAIL_INN by cw-f1.umd.umich.edu (Mercury 1.1); Mon, 17 Jan 94 18:27:28 EDT To: simone@wps.com From: IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan-Dearborn Date: 17 Jan 1994 18:24:27 EST5EDT Subject: hi again! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac v2.02 Message-Id: <4C0EF16C59@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu> Status: OR thanks for responding so quickly! i didn't know i could get my messages on the mac too. all this time i've been going over to the ibm. congratulations on your apartment-it sounds wonderful!! everything is going to work out great! i just finished typing 20 pages of exam questions for my final tomorrow, one down another to go..i'm getting tired, but i'll be totally relieved when i can get this week over with. I'll be done with two incompletes and i'll only have one more to finish by the end of March. whew! what a relief. tell dina thanks for the check, i'll cash it on wednesday..when do you move into your new pad? you'll have to go to dina's to get your e-mail, unless of course you buy your own computer-right. anyway, time to get back to work-gender in rural greece-ooh so exciting, i'm glad i'm doing my major research on queers and drag queens, it's so much more fun..ok.gotta go love tina. ps..i'll be here until 9;30 my time, so if you want to write again-please do..it's always nice to be able to communicate with someone, even through a computer...bye bye From dina Sat Jan 22 00:31:37 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA08623; Sat, 22 Jan 94 00:31:36 -0800 From: dina (Dina Palivos) Message-Id: <9401220831.AA08623@wps.com> Subject: Meat (fwd) To: simone (Simone Pia) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 00:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5665 Status: OR Forwarded message: From tomj Fri Jan 21 12:27:29 1994 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9401212027.AA06723@wps.com> Subject: Meat (fwd) To: shit-list Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:27:25 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5311 Forwarded message: From gnu@toad.com Fri Jan 21 01:49:01 1994 Message-Id: <9401210948.AA05341@toad.com> To: tomj@wps.com, hugh@toad.com, laura@toad.com Subject: Meat Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 01:48:52 -0800 From: gnu@toad.com [forwards deleted] > A dialogue by Terry Bisson. From a series of stories entitled > "Alien/Nation" in the April issue of Omni. "They're made out of meat." "Meat?" "Meat. They're made out of meat." "Meat?" "There's no doubt about it. We picked several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, probed them all the through. They're completely meat." "That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars." "They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines." "So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact." "They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines." "That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat." "I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in the sector and they're made out of meat." "Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage." "Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spams, which didn't take too long. Do you have any idea the life spam of meat?" "Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plamsa brain inside." "Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through." "No brain?" "Oh, there is a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat!" "So... what does the thinking?" "You're not understanding, are you? The brain does the thinking. The meat." "Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!" "Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you getting the picture?" "Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat." "Finally. Yes, they are indeed made out meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years." "So what does the meat have in mind." "First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the universe, contact other sentients, swap ideas and information. The usual." "We're supposed to talk to meat?" "That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there? Anyone home?' That sort of thing." "They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?" "Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat." "I thought you just told me they used radio." "They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat." "Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?" "Officially or unofficially?" "Both." "Officially, we are required to contact, welcome, and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in the quadrant, without prejudice, fear, or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the reconds and forget the whole thing." "I was hoping you would say that." "It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?" "I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say?" `Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?" "Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they only travel through C-space. which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact." "So we just pretend there's no one home in the universe." "That's it." "Cruel. But you sid it yourself, who want to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you have probed? You're sure they won't remember?" "They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them." "A dream to meat! How strangely appropiate, that we should be meat's dream." "And we can marked this sector unoccupied." "Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interested on that side of the galaxy?" "Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotation ago, wants to be friendly again." "They always come around." "And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the universe would be if one were all alone." ---- John Markoff MCI: jmarkoff New York Times Internet: markoff@nyt.com Embarcadero Center One Well: johnm@well.sf.ca.us San Francisco, CA 94111 ----------------------------- phone: 415 362 3912 all the news etc. ----------------------------- -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From wright@erim.org Thu Jan 27 04:24:20 1994 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA04415; Thu, 27 Jan 94 04:24:17 -0800 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03156; Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:25:00 EST Date: Thu, 27 Jan 94 07:25:00 EST From: wright@erim.org (Tim Wright) Message-Id: <9401271225.AA03156@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com In-Reply-To: Simone Pia's message of Thu, 27 Jan 1994 01:05:44 -0800 (PST) <9401270905.AA03933@wps.com> Subject: Meat (fwd) Status: OR Hi Simone I liked it so much I emailed it to another friend of mine. Glad things are going well. So far, I received letters from companies in Chicago and Boston interested in interviewing me. We will see if I stay at ERIM or move on and explore the world. Tim From patrick@math.lsa.umich.edu Thu Jan 27 11:54:38 1994 Received: from null.math.lsa.umich.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA05429; Thu, 27 Jan 94 11:54:31 -0800 Received: from bailey.math.lsa.umich.edu by math.lsa.umich.edu with SMTP id AA24695 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for simone@wps.com); Thu, 27 Jan 1994 14:54:27 -0500 From: T Patrick Bidigare Date: Thu, 27 Jan 94 14:54:27 EST Message-Id: <9401271954.AA18580@bailey.math.lsa.umich.edu> To: simone@wps.com Subject: Note from Pat Status: OR Hi Simone! Thanks for the Christmas card. I accidentally threw away the envelope that it came in so I didnUt know where to send a letter back to. I got your e-mail address from Eric. What does wps stand for? Where are you living now? Last time I talked to you, you were planning on moving to California. Did you find a job? (I assume you did or you wouldnUt have an e-mail address.) Things are going o.k. for me. I am taking classes and I go back to ERIM on Tuesdays and Thursdays for Tae Kwon Do. This year is a lot easier than last year was. I think that the first year of grad school is usually the hardest for everyone. How long did you end up staying at ERIM? I don't know exactly how things are going on the project... I talked to Walt today and he said that they hadn't gotten "it" to work. He had been reading the memo I wrote last summer because (he said) that no one else understood it... Maybe I put in too much detail... In spite of that Eric said that they might be in need of help next summer so I might be back for summer #4! I still need to find an advisor so I might not be able to come back if my advisor decides that I need to spend the summer preparing for my orals. If you write back, include your and John's addresses. IBCNU Pat From IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Mon Jan 31 08:17:51 1994 Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA04147; Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:17:46 -0800 Received: from cw-f1.umd.umich.edu by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20214; Mon, 31 Jan 94 11:17:03 EST Received: from CW-F1/MAIL_INN by cw-f1.umd.umich.edu (Mercury 1.1); Mon, 31 Jan 94 11:21:27 EDT To: simone@wps.com From: IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan-Dearborn Date: 31 Jan 1994 11:19:18 EST5EDT Subject: Re: you silly girl Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac v2.02 Message-Id: <1950E8B521A@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu> Status: OR hi there! it's 11:00 monday morning and your letter was perfect! i always feel so silly sitting here cracking up at zee computer..can you believe that eez a bel! that's a great story, it's right up there with my poo story. i talked to dina, she said you got an apartment in the panhandle-great you'll be right by the park-bee--uu-tiful!! i also loved your aesthetic typos, you're very entertaining-like a little poodle-just kidding. everything is going well, school is great, shaloo is doing much better, she got a job at uno's in w.bloomfield-she likes it, she's going to belize next year. cory (this is the correct spelling) is doing well also, and yes we are causing havoc in the anthro lounge. it was funny one day, shaloo, renee(another one of my colleagues-haha-ilike the way that sounds) and i went to the tuesday chat with moerman-the brillant one-and we all have long hair, we all wore long dark skirts, accented with black shirts(coincidentally shaloo and i matched) and we all had dark lipstick on, we were the sisters of anthro-the look for post-modern intellects. my cold is getting better-i willed it away, i just refused to be sick, i took a few herbs-echinacea, drank alot of juice and ignored it, it's practically gone now-hooray!! other news, work is going well. i'm in one of those phases where i feel very sexy and horny, and i want to fuck all the boys and girls that i work with and because i can't decide, i just go home and masturbate-i've got to get laid!!! let's see, there's eddie the cook, he's a sexy, hot african-american lover who wants me bad-he told me so, then there's terry-a waiter, who looks like he's fourteen, short, skinny, floppy hair, wire-rimmed glasses-someone i'd definitely top!!of course, there's mark, i just want to play with his very curly hair, he's also a culinary arts student-you know how i am about them, and then there's Guy(gee) who is tall, lanky, gaunt and shy and bi-very sexy, i'd strap on for that one, let's see who else? oh god, there's the bartender deborah-what a fucking body!!!she's a total straight girl, so this one will never go beyond my head-but she's about six feet tall and she has long curly blond hair, big eyes, big lips, and the most beautiful big butt!!i love her, second to karen, of course. speaking of which, things are ok-the same. the unpredictability of the outcome of our relationship is sometimes unnerving, but i can be pretty patient. we'll see this summer, i'll just have to sweep her off her feet. hmm..what else, i miss brenda, i called about a week ago, but things have been pretty nuts with school-so it's hard to see anyone. that's about it, i'll be here all day, i have to transcribe two and a half hours of tapes-ugh!! so maybe i'll write later. thanks again for the very entertaining letter-you put me in a good mood for the day. say hi to everyone, tell josh to write me, the little shit-he forgot me already. i miss him and of course i miss you very much. it's so wierd that you brought up lexington, because friday night-the day you wrote this i thought about going there for the day, while i was driving home from work, we must be spiritually connected-you sent me good vibes-anyway, take care, i love you, good luck, blah, blah, blah...love tina From IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Mon Jan 31 08:20:25 1994 Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA04162; Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:20:22 -0800 Received: from by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB20233; Mon, 31 Jan 94 11:19:45 EST Received: from CW-F1/MAIL_INN by cw-f1.umd.umich.edu (Mercury 1.1); Mon, 31 Jan 94 11:24:06 EDT To: simone@wps.com From: IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan-Dearborn Date: 31 Jan 1994 11:21:56 EST5EDT Subject: Re:me again Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac v2.02 Message-Id: <195195B2FCA@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu> Status: OR SAN FRANFLAKO!!! you really are crazy, you silly girl. i just read the other letter...i had to say SAN FRANFLAKO..well that's all-see ya tina From stokely@erim.org Tue Feb 1 10:30:58 1994 Received: from topd475a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA08113; Tue, 1 Feb 94 10:30:50 -0800 Received: by topd475a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25167; Tue, 1 Feb 94 13:31:24 EST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 94 13:31:24 EST Message-Id: <9402011831.AA25167@topd475a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com From: stokely@topd475a.erim.org Sender: stokely@erim.org Subject: Hey !! Status: OR Hi Simone, What's shakin ? (couldn't resist the California joke) Well, I just got a call from someone from San Francisco asking about your character, working skills etc. His name and company seemed to run together so I didn't catch either one. He had a strong Asian accent. I, of course, told him how difficult you were to work with and and what horrendous computer skills you have. Seriously, I told him you were a very dilligent and competent worker. I mentioned the old Controls Lab partnership too. I hope you find something good there. Erim is certainly not a popular place to work ! Larry Thompson resigned last week and I found out today that Linda Brown resigned ! They aren't going to be laying anybody else off in the SDL until May. Supposedly, if we get enough new business, there won't be anymore layoffs. (yeah,right) Well, I have been getting a lot of stuff to do here. Hell, if people keep leaving we'll all be working 'round the clock. Vickie had the twins two weeks ago. Brittany and Brandi, ~ 4 lbs each, 17" long, 1 month premature. Not too bad for preemies. The family seems to be doing well (so far). Katie is turning green with jealousy. I can't handle being pressured by a 4 year old to gain 30 lbs, get cut open and survive on 4 hours sleep for about 6 months. Well, that is all for now. Write back soon !! SUSAN From IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Sun Feb 6 14:30:57 1994 Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA11519; Sun, 6 Feb 94 14:30:51 -0800 From: IGW@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu Received: from cw-f1.umd.umich.edu by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20312; Sun, 6 Feb 94 17:30:10 EST Received: from CW-F1/MAIL_INN by cw-f1.umd.umich.edu (Mercury 1.1); Sun, 6 Feb 94 17:30:59 EDT Organization: University of Michigan-Dearborn To: simone@wps.com (Simone Pia) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 17:30:51 EST5EDT Subject: Re: you go girl X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1) Message-Id: <798EFD21E7@cw-f1.umd.umich.edu> Status: OR i love getting your letters! you are so funny...i think you're making the right decision by following your instincts- he sounds like an idiot and you have no reason to accept anything out of desperation. good luck with this other interview...i'm glad to hear that you are all settled in. i wish i could come out there over break, i'm already ready for another vacation..where is your apartment, how close are you to the park, the ocean, the haight, the babes? i'm still horny, blaise is coming over tonight, we're going to drink wine and he's spending the night, maybe i'll rape him! Karen called the other day, yesterday as a matter of fact. it was good, she misses me alot. but, she did say that she's starting to feel love for laurent again. i don't know, i really think i'm going to get hurt by all of this. sometimes it's a little frightening. but i still keep holding on. right now it gives me a sense of security in a strange way. well, i do know she loves me, so time will tell the rest. samer has been calling alot lately, so much so that i had to vocalize the futility of any ideas he may have of us getting together, oh no, he said, i know we're just friends. ugh! it was wierd the other day, he came to um-d to bring me some papers. wow have i changed. this is mean but i felt kind of embarrassed, i know it's bitchy, but simone he had big hair and he was wearing a gold s on his neck. when cory and shaloo met him, they were nice, but i could sense the confusion and humor in their hearts, i could barely reveal it myself. haha..this is mean-so what! anyway, so much for that, i haven't talked to him since. i couldn't even relate to him, so we spent the whole half hour teaching me how to write my name in arabic to impress shryock-my favorite prof in the whole world. did dina tell you paul hughes is back..i think i might make a move. a cheap sordid affair with a philo prof would be fun...anyway..i've been kind of lonely lately, well, very lonely ok...but i'll be alright. school is good. last tues. i turned in a 27 page(single-spaced mind you) transcription of the interview i did with rob, shryock loved it. now he wants to hear tom's side of the story..i told him i'd tape the interview, but i won't do another transcription that will take another 20 hours to do. so that's good...i'm ok..i'm just trying to fend off my seasonal depression, it's trying to seep in the cracks..but i'm pretty stubborn so it'll be ok. I talked to work, i'm going to europe for the summer. i'm leaving around the first week of june and i'll probably come back around the second week of august. i've become a real miser...brown bagging it everyday and a real mooch too. haha..who'd thought? brenda and i watched movies the other day, i hooked up the vcr in the basement with my mom's old tv..it's pretty cool, i have a real pad set up now. i've started working out with the step aerobics-tell dina i'm following her example, slow and steady...well, i guess that's it...same old thing...let me know how everythings going..sorry i'm not so entertaining today..i'll leave that up to you...share this note with dina, i'm too tired to repeat..in fact-hi dina, i'll call you soon..take it easy kids. i love you and i miss you alot!~!!!! i'll be here all day tomorrow, i'd love to hear from you..bye bye. From stokely@erim.org Wed Feb 23 12:41:53 1994 Received: from topd475a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA18466; Wed, 23 Feb 94 12:41:29 -0800 Received: by topd475a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20581; Wed, 23 Feb 94 15:42:10 EST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 15:42:10 EST From: stokely@erim.org (Susan Stokely) Message-Id: <9402232042.AA20581@topd475a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com In-Reply-To: Simone Pia's message of Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) <9402022133.AA11851@wps.com> Subject: greetings Status: OR Hi Simone, How's it going ? How did your job interview that you didn't want to jinx turn out? Things here at ERIM are about as peppy as usual. Management is extremely uptight. The latest incident of adding insult to injury is that working through lunch is frowned upon and must be approved by department heads. I don't know why they don't just make us punch in. Or better yet, they could monitor our cerebral activity and pay us by the amount of time actually spent thinking about work. You know what my latest assignment is ? I get to train Lynne to do the work that I do for 3-D SAR. They've given approximately 4 hours to do it. This includes crash courses in imgmanip,emacs and Unix. To make things worse, they are giving us less money to process nearly twice the data that we processed last summer. I finally bought a wireless microphone for aerobics ! It cost me about what I make in 6 months of teaching aerobics but I guess it'll pay off. I'm going to use it for the first time in tonight's class but of course we got a huge ice-snow storm so I'll be loud and clear to about 5 people. Have you been watching Mel Rose Place ? Wow! It was amazing how they got you to hate Reed and not care to see him get blown away all in one episode. And that Sydney thing still has me puzzled ? Is she a psycho or what ? What does she want with Michael ? Of course Joe and Jake will be back together in a few epsiodes. He'll probably rescue Joe from jail somehow. Tonight is the big skating event and Mel Rose Place. What a dilemma ? I just want to see that Russian skater, Oksana something, steal the gold from both those wenches. Talk to you later, Susan From stokely@erim.org Mon Mar 21 05:52:33 1994 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA08055; Mon, 21 Mar 94 05:52:29 -0800 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03455; Mon, 21 Mar 94 08:53:20 EST Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 08:53:20 EST Message-Id: <9403211353.AA03455@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com From: stokely@erim.org Sender: stokely@erim.org In-Reply-To: Simone Pia's message of Mon, 28 Feb 1994 01:27:52 -0800 (PST) <9402280927.AA05870@wps.com> Subject: great stuff Status: OR Hi Simone, So you live in a Melrose Place ? Tell me more. I want to hear the Johnny thing. I've missed the last one or two episodes of the real show. Last week I had the flu and slept from 5 pm to 5 am. (After taking some good nausea medicine). I have to fill you in on the latest Erim stuff. We have several farewell luncheons weekly now. Larry Brod left for Ford (or GM) last week. He accepted a job at GM for 5% more pay when Ford called him and offered him 10% more pay. I don't know what he wound up doing. Rick Prezbienda (my office mate) took a job at EDS. His farewell luncheon is this week. Scott Gaboury (from ESDD) is leaving this week. Some big guy in security just left. Even more people are working on getting out of here. Well, here I am. I haven't taken any action to find a new job. Actually, I have been getting more and more good work to do. I hope this place can hang in for a while longer. What's your latest job situation ? Working, looking, quitting ?? Did you buy that bike yet ? My sister was faced with putting some big money into fixing her boat or selling it. I panicked ! So now we (Brian,me,my sister and her husband) are co-owners. Weekend boat trips are about the only vacations I'll get this year. (I've been sucking down the CPT with being sick) Well, I better get back to work. (they may have that cerebral activity monitor on me) Hey, when (if ever) are you going to come for a visit ? Susan From szelc@erim.org Mon Mar 21 10:54:30 1994 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA09093; Mon, 21 Mar 94 10:54:26 -0800 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09366; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:55:04 EST Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:55:04 EST From: szelc@erim.org (Dawn Szelc) Message-Id: <9403211855.AA09366@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@fido.wps.com Subject: Life Status: OR Hi, How in the hell are you? What are you up to? Are you ever coming home for a visit? Hey, I just heard that Susan is getting married!!! Are you going to the wedding? So please fill me in on the latest. Did you find a job yet? Life at ERIM is going down the tubes fast. We had the initial layoffs in October, then more in January, 7 people from the clean room were given the Slow Death Option recently ( be laidoff or stay for 4 months and then just be gone), last Wed. 6 more were laid off and two were given reduced appointments, other people are leaving weekly of their own accord (I probably have attended at least one goodbye lunch per week this month). I'm still looking of course. I am expecting an offer from Motorola in a couple weeks. We took a trip to DC to check out the area and really liked it. Jerry had a couple interviews at MCI, so maybe we will hear something good from there. Hope to hear from you soon. Dawn Szelc From bscribne@hydra.unm.edu Tue Mar 29 13:38:18 1994 Received: from hydra.unm.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA07677; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:38:14 -0800 Received: by hydra.unm.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0pllU3-0009chC; Tue, 29 Mar 94 14:38 MST Message-Id: From: bscribne@hydra.unm.edu (benjamin lee scribner) Subject: howdy (fwd) To: simone@wps.com Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 14:38:02 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3718 Status: OR According to Simone Pia: >From simone@fido.wps.com Tue Mar 29 01:52:42 1994 >From: simone@wps.com (Simone Pia) >Message-Id: <9403290852.AA05309@wps.com> >Subject: howdy >To: bscribne@hydra.unm.edu >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 00:52:27 -0800 (PST) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Length: 1465 > >HEY > >t'sup buiscuitt >you'll (probably) be happy to know that our premonitions did not hold >true (unless you count the near arrest in LA) >Chobe is OK and wants you to eat a big BIG ol plate of beef for us all. Beef! Fuck that foreign shit! Pabst Blue Ribbon! >O yea tell Jen to cut off her nose and send it because it is the only >thing we like about her. did you see the llamas? Oh but Jen knows about you. >por que senor chupamos? Hay papas en tu carrito? Simone is a weird >metamorphasizing bat-like creature who likes shakespeare and doesnt eat meat >(thank godness for me)or goodness. >Chobe. so ben send us some electronic male or mail whichever you are >willing to give up. Chobe. I have to pee. Chobe. well(ole in ground used >to extract water) well, we are going to go get burger king. Chobe. >why ben why. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy all work and no >play makes jack a dull boy all work and no play makes jack a dull boy >all work and no play makes jack a dull boy chobe all work and no play >makes jack a dull boy all Work and No play MAKES jack a DUll boy >chobe. kennst du ingo? wir gehen in die stadt. komm doch mit? >Ich wohne gleich um die ecke und ich werde ein grosse stuck scheiser essen. >ben +&($&#$Chobe>end<>QR+=)>|UDR> cHOBE. >wE LOvE yOU bENJAMIN lEE sCRIBNER. HAL? OPEN THE POD BAY DOORS HAL. HAL? >I CANT DO THAT DAVE...DAISY, DAISY, GIVE ME YOUR ANSWER TRUE... >WRAPPING IT UP BY SIMONES REE-QUEST FOR FIRE AND THE USU-B-KING MID -NITE >SNAKE OOPS I MEAN SNACK!! GOODBYE DAVE > > >Dear cHOBE It seems that I should respond in turn with a senseless message: The world is too big a place for burrowing worms like you! The fuzzy uzzy udders of the underpuppy mothers tempt you toward tranquility, and though we all know you worms are strong in your resolve, no segmented cylindrical cyst can hold out for long in the glare of the mothers' stare. Save your days for the hour of the mother, (worms cHOBE and sIMONE that are sister and brother), for together you wriggle in puddles in the gutter, like a feather and a lover under underpuppy udders...you will dry in the sun if you let the bacon run: there are no containers of spongy meat in the hands of those who lay you at their feet. AAGH! So you guys made it home, obviously. Does CHOBE have to work for the next 10 days straight? Get a band CHOBE! Rock. So Simone, I think you now have more friends here than I do. I noticed you hit it off O.K. with Kate and Beth. If you'd stuck around you would have gotten to see kate get really drunk and kiss me alot, which was O.K. for a while but then I freaked out and walked home (from the next party). The party you two attended has apparently become legend around here (it wasn't that great, was it?). I'm really glad you guys mad it up here. It really made my weekend. I can't believe (well yes I can) that you drove to L.A. at midnight. Did you have a good time there or were you too tired and in too much of a hurry to get home? Did you meet HERMAN the red monster? Well, better split (lickety) so hope to here from you soon now that we know the connection is open. Take care you crazy mother-fuckers named Gusto, Love, Ben P.S. Tell those other people at the house "Hi" for me. Except for Matt. From bscribne@hydra.unm.edu Wed Mar 30 12:23:10 1994 Received: from hydra.unm.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA10767; Wed, 30 Mar 94 12:23:06 -0800 Received: by hydra.unm.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0pm6n1-0009alC; Wed, 30 Mar 94 13:23 MST Message-Id: From: bscribne@hydra.unm.edu (benjamin lee scribner) Subject: Re: howdy To: simone@wps.com (Simone Pia) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 13:23:02 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <9403290852.AA05309@wps.com> from "Simone Pia" at Mar 29, 94 00:52:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 164 Status: OR Hey Simone, Just wanted to tell you guys that I'm dating a girl who not only listens to Lenny Kravitz...but drives a FORD PROBE. Have I done ya proud? xoxo Ben From bscribne@hydra.unm.edu Thu Mar 31 13:49:52 1994 Received: from hydra.unm.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA17294; Thu, 31 Mar 94 13:49:34 -0800 Received: by hydra.unm.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0pmUcE-0009bGC; Thu, 31 Mar 94 14:49 MST Message-Id: From: bscribne@hydra.unm.edu (benjamin lee scribner) Subject: Re: Heyyoucrazylady To: simone@wps.com (Simone Pia) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 14:49:29 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <9403310814.AA15032@wps.com> from "Simone Pia" at Mar 31, 94 00:14:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5086 Status: OR Hey I sure did like your letter. Rico may very well be my best friend but you're a hell of a lot better at e-mail. That must have been the very peak of your Hunter S. T. like adventure when you were pulled over in la. I can't believe the cops were such racist bastards. So I guess you guys got back on Sunday, right? That gave Rico a little time to hang out and probably not rest before work on Monday. So do you think of your trip in a way that you could say it was a good or bad experience or was it just a long weird (and fatiguing) experience? The reason I freaked out on Kate is that I decided I really wasn't attracted to her about 5 seconds after she started kissing me. Suddenly I could taste the last ciggarette she smoked and identify what kind of beer had recently been in her mouth (and probably came back out, the way she was going). So anyway I freaked out and walked home, spitting occaisionally. I like "Miss Probe-Kravitz" O.K., but we really don't seem to have much in common, and yes she was the "hot date" and anyway we're going camping this weekend (with her other friends) and I guess I'm going to be really interested in the things that they're into, because I'm going to have fun, goddammit. You should live here instead of them, Simone. You are instantly interesting, and so is your friend Rico. How did you hook up with him ? Doh! I hope your job hunting is successful in a way that you can deal with (a cool job). Are most places over in Oakland, or is there actually a lot of stuff downtown? You asked me to tell you about my life. I'm pretty happy these days, because I'm in school for reasons I care about and I live in an O.K. place and I actually know some people here now, and I have a job that I never go to. A lot of my life, is of course determined by the way things are around my house, which is for the most part fine and doesn't cause me any stress. I will tell you more about my roommate, however. My roomate, who you met, is a very nice girl who is kind and generous and patient and understanding, but also overwhelmingly negative, which amuses me (a lot). The only downshot is that, being insecure and negative, she is incapable of showing interest in thing that she doesn't have a large personal stake in, like my life, so I'll give you an amusing example: [Angie comes in to the house] Angie: Hi Ben! Ben: Hi Angie! How was your day? (He asks knowingly) Angie: Long and unproductive. [Ben waits for her to ask about his date the night before, which he has been mentioning all week, but finally turns to the old "ask them what you want them to ask you" ploy] Ben: What did you do last night? Angie: Well I hung out at Lee's (this guy who's a good friend of her car, and who she likes taking pictures of to prove that she has a friend who is a gay black bodybuilder) until really late which is bad because I have so much reading to catch up on...[edited for length]. Ben:Well I had a nice time on my date last night, but it was weird because I felt like we didn't have much in common. It seemed like-- Angie: That'ssowierdthatyousaythat because that's how I always felt with Kevin (a guy she picked up in a club, who later became intimate with her car), and you know I saw him yesterday and I just freaked out and I just didn't know what to say or how to feel, cause, you know, I feel taken advantage of since he still owes me the money from wrecking the car, but a few weeks ago when he was drunk and stoned he said he loved me and I think it may have been just to use me or [edited for length] [Ben listens patiently, (and with declining genuine interest), offering consolation and common sense advice when appropriate, for the next 2-6 hours . These conversations have become a fun game for me, and I also enjoy the creative analogies she uses to bring things back on track whenever the conversation strays toward my friends or interests. Well that's how things are at my house. You know, I never hear much about your roommates. You met them through roommate referral or something similar, didn't you? Which room are you in? (I know your flat well...I went to some nice parties there) It's pretty cool how that type of thing (roommate referral) actually works in San Francisco. Just one more cool thing about the mindset there. Tell everyone at the house hello for me (except for Matt) and don't feel pressured to respond with a letter as lengthy as this one, unless you have time, which would be very nice. And you can talk about yourself all that you want because you're interesting and positve and I just don't know that much about you, which is a bad thing. This computer isn't at your house is it? Is it really convenient for you to print stuff?, because I want to write to Rico Lee and Matt and some of the upstairs people and I don't want to overwhelm you or overly take advantage of someone's computer. Well I guess I'd better go before this letter gets any longer and I clog up the Internet or something. Oh yeah--"Virtual Job". That's cool. Hasta la vista, Ben. From szelc@erim.org Mon Apr 4 06:22:01 1994 Received: from sed630a.erim.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA09016; Mon, 4 Apr 94 06:21:46 -0700 Received: by sed630a.erim.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03261; Mon, 4 Apr 94 09:22:44 EDT Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 09:22:44 EDT From: szelc@erim.org (Dawn Szelc) Message-Id: <9404041322.AA03261@sed630a.erim.org> To: simone@wps.com Subject: Re: things going on Status: OR so what is this new writing style with no caps? are you trying to test me on a monday morning? cruel, very cruel. well, i have not heard from motort, i have to call if he doesn't call me tonight. i'm beginning to worry a little because it is dragging out so long. it is not in d.c. though, it is in chicago which means i may not take it anyway cuz we really want to go south to virginia now. so maybe the wait is inconsequential. since i last wrote you i have been called by three companies in d.c. two are beltway bandits and one is a real company. i am expecting a couple of interviews from these. my parents are quite bummed at the prospect of moving but understand the situation. jerry's mom on the otherhand is another story. she keeps getting me peoples' cards that she meets who are even remotely in some sort of engineering-like job. she works at h&r block during tax season and knows what everyone does forr a living and how much money they make. the only problem is that these companies are all manufacturing oriented and have nothing to do with my skills or interests. she could actually be valuable if she was in, say, d.c. she thinks this whole move is my fault because i am being so picky about what i want to do. the fact that jerry has wanted to move for the last ten years has conveniently slipped from her mind. sounds like you are really having it rough. my sympathies. what are you going to do with your parents when they visit? are they staying with you? you know you are going to lose your mind before they leave don't you! well i should really go and do my "work". you know i have desire to play minesweeper any more. it's just no fun if i have no one to compete against. there's no motivation to be better, no one to beat the pants off. bye for now, dawn From bscribne@hydra.unm.edu Mon Apr 4 12:50:26 1994 Received: from hydra.unm.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA10144; Mon, 4 Apr 94 12:50:19 -0700 Received: by hydra.unm.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0pnuez-0009bHC; Mon, 4 Apr 94 13:50 MDT Message-Id: From: bscribne@hydra.unm.edu (benjamin lee scribner) Subject: Re: lazarus' deli To: simone@wps.com (Simone Pia) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 13:50:13 -0600 (MDT) In-Reply-To: <9404030900.AA04464@wps.com> from "Simone Pia" at Apr 3, 94 01:00:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 343 Status: OR Lazarus, come forth! And grab me some rye mannah! I loved your e-boy, but I am too tired/hungry/bald/broke/injured to respond at this time. I don't mean to sound unhappy, becuase I'm really very happy. I'm just tired/hungry/bald/broke/injured right now. Take care, mon frere, Ben P.S. If I move to S.F., will you home-school me? From bscribne@hydra.unm.edu Wed Apr 6 12:20:13 1994 Received: from hydra.unm.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA10570; Wed, 6 Apr 94 12:20:11 -0700 Received: by hydra.unm.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0pod8y-0009bMC; Wed, 6 Apr 94 13:20 MDT Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 13:20:08 -0600 (MDT) From: benjamin lee scribner Subject: Re: O.K.Now To: Simone Pia In-Reply-To: <9404060741.AA06653@wps.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Dear Simone, I didn't mean to concern you with my last e-message. I'm not sure what I was thinking, but I really wasn't having a crisis or anything. I guess you must have to go quite a ways to get to your friends computer, since you have to take the (fucking) 22 and the (better) 5, and then walk. I'm going to go home and go to sleep for a while, because I'm, you know, tired. I'm going back to Las Cruces again this weekend (Thursday). I don't know why. I can never remember what was in the letter I'm responding to. I promise I will send a far superior e-boy later. Home schooling is where a parent teaches a child at home, and the child has to be able to pass standardized tests occaisionally. You probably can't do that for a college degree, though, and I guess you're not my parent, so now I see clearly that it was a dum idea. Sorry. Good luck w/jobs! XOXO Ben From bscribne@hydra.unm.edu Thu Apr 7 14:05:53 1994 Received: from hydra.unm.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA04487; Thu, 7 Apr 94 14:05:49 -0700 Received: by hydra.unm.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0pp1Gi-0009bMC; Thu, 7 Apr 94 15:05 MDT Message-Id: From: bscribne@hydra.unm.edu (benjamin lee scribner) Subject: Re: refreshed To: simone@wps.com (Simone Pia) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 15:05:43 -0600 (MDT) In-Reply-To: <9404062039.AA10771@wps.com> from "Simone Pia" at Apr 6, 94 01:39:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2819 Status: OR HEYHEYHEYHEY--I'm Fat Albert or something, Simone I'm not tired anymore...and I've realized that for some reason you always hear about it (in detail) when I am. I'm not really one of those tired type people--I just had my first bout of insomnia, though I guess it's not a clinical type case because it was probably brought on by the 3 cups of coffee I had that evening. Then the next night I spent at Nicole's and we talked (yes talked, Rico) until about 5:00. The conversation was a lot better than normal...We're finally finding some common ground...but for me I must admit that it was more sexual tension than the fascinating subject matter that kept me awake. Enough. Rockin the urban hardcore at 16th and Mission. Look out your window at those orange bricks and praise Frank Jordan, leader of the "lives somewhere safer/cleaner(and culturally vacant)" coalition. Your philosophical insights into e-boy are brilliant. I think we are doing pretty well interpreting "voice", but like you said, it will take time to become fluent in this new language between new freind, and there will probably be the occasional expression that can be easily misunderstood by the dick eating moron at the other end. If I was completely confident in our communication ability, I wouldn't mention that that was a joke. I leave to go to Las Cruces at 7:00 pm tonight (THurs). I'm looking forward to the trip as much as the visit, because my friend Danielle (the car owner) is one of the most entertaining people I know. So hows your day to day stuff? You probably don't have any kind of routine right now, which is probably pretty nice in a lot of ways. I would still be interested to know what you ususally put in your coffee, however, and if you match your socks. I read the news today-Oh boy. I hung out with an old friend named MOnica last night who is so politically active that...(sorry I couldn't think of anything). But anyway, she's been interested in such issues for about 100 times as long as I have (and has read all the right book, of course), but I was able to converse (I thought) intelligently on almost everything that came up, much to my relief. I guess what really matters is that you have a point of view and reasons for it ...not necessarily how well read you are. Through her I'm probably going to end up meeting the whole fucking local dissident community, and I'll find out if I can stand them (and them me). Don't you think radicals tend to be somewhat arrogant? I don't want to be an -ist (Marxist Anarchist Socialist etc...); entirely too much connotation, and a lot of it somewhat accurrate. I think I'm going to actually write a separate letter for Rico here in a minute, if you don't mind. You're still my favorite, though. Tell me about your last bus ride. xoxo Ben From bscribne@hydra.unm.edu Thu Apr 7 14:43:11 1994 Received: from hydra.unm.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA04602; Thu, 7 Apr 94 14:43:07 -0700 Received: by hydra.unm.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0pp1qr-0009f6C; Thu, 7 Apr 94 15:43 MDT Message-Id: From: bscribne@hydra.unm.edu (benjamin lee scribner) Subject: Re: Rico To: simone@wps.com (Simone Pia) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 15:43:04 -0600 (MDT) In-Reply-To: <9404062039.AA10771@wps.com> from "Simone Pia" at Apr 6, 94 01:39:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3372 Status: O Dear brotha biscuit motha fucka, This letter will have a minimum of nonsense (thought I'd warn you). I just wanted to see how band stuff was progressing. You better do something, or we will all kick your butt (me and...uh, well I'm taking karate). I know you now have everthing you need (mentally) to make the most amazing creation in S.F., and I'm completely confident that once you get the right people it will only be a matter of time before great things of some sort start to happen. I know you don't really need to hear this, but I love to give you my support, my freind. Has ol' Tom quit yet? Probably not. He still hasn't written me back. My letter was so nice and genuinely affectionate that he probably thought I was patronizing him. Now that I don't work at the store any more, I kind of realized that we were pretty good friends. Kind of like when Carolyn moved out of the house, remember? How's Suzanne? I still don't fully understand your relationship. Matt said he thinks you're wrapped around her finger, but I have my doubts. Besides, how can it be much different if you actually care about her. It's all part of NICE GUYS DON'T GET LAID. Angelica's all wierd now since she heard about me & Nicole dating...camping...etc... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I win. Did you hear I made out with...no...I got made out with by Kate. She called me the next day and apologized. I went by her work to sort of signal that everything was cool and she gave me a coke and seemed weird and nervous, and left the restaurant immediately after getting off work (I had just gotten there) without really talking to me, which I thought was really cool. I win again. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ha. Tonight Danielle and I venture homeward. I guess I might as well see Johnna again (right?--TELL ME). Aaron and I e-mail and he said he saw her at a party and she's "abso-fucking-lutely head over heels for you dude"(Aaron quote). I win. AGAIN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And that one really makes me laugh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa!!! Are you laughing? I don't mean to sound like a womanizer--in fact I haven't slept with anybody. But this is all pretty darn amusing to me for some reason. HAHAHA. Ho. Excuse me. Well I've gotten a little self indulgent in this letter so I will ask more questions and comment further on things that pertain to your life in the urban hardcore. Hows the house? Do you talk much to Lee? Is Matt around thaat much? I have a suspicion that the biscuit house isn't as much of an impervious group anymore...everyone is more developing there own lives, right? Call Lisa for me, goddammit, and tell her to send me her address or call me and also ask her if she has an e-mail account. That goddammit was for Lisa, not you--"sorry" (pronounced in the Darrin Robinson fashion). I'm always thinking of moving back...and more because I miss you than anything else, to be honest. But I must complete my training... On to LAS CRUCES, I'll tell them all that Rico says to eat lots of meat, and if they ask why you say that I'll tell them, "because at one time meat had blood flowing through it, just like potatoes." Actually say that, right now, so I won't be lying. Your old make-believe made of straw and gasoline smelling idol, Ben From tomj Thu Apr 7 17:23:16 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA05139; Thu, 7 Apr 94 17:23:14 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9404080023.AA05139@wps.com> Subject: NEw hardware!! To: wps-users Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 17:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 382 Status: OR This machine will be off the air for some number of hours, spottily, this weekend. I've got a new computer to install, a 486DX2-66 plus a gigabyte disk. Oh boy. Theold machine will be a bag on the side of the new one, in case any funny business happens. You might not even notice the change over. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From tomj@wps.com Fri Apr 8 10:12:47 1994 Received: from localhost (tomj@localhost) by fido.wps.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA00322 for wps-users; Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:12:37 -0700 From: Tom Jennings Message-Id: <199404081712.KAA00322@fido.wps.com> Subject: testing To: wps-users@wps.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:12:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 84 -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From tomj@wps.com Fri Apr 8 10:34:49 1994 Received: from localhost (tomj@localhost) by fido.wps.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA00255 for wps-users; Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:34:47 -0700 From: Tom Jennings Message-Id: <199404081734.KAA00255@fido.wps.com> Subject: hello? To: wps-users@wps.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 84 -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From tomj@wps.com Fri Apr 8 10:36:07 1994 Received: from localhost (tomj@localhost) by fido.wps.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA00273 for wps-users; Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:36:07 -0700 From: Tom Jennings Message-Id: <199404081736.KAA00273@fido.wps.com> Subject: foo To: wps-users@wps.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:36:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 84 -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From tomj@wps.com Fri Apr 8 18:03:48 1994 Received: from localhost by fido.wps.com (8.6.5/wps.com-hackery) id LAA00256; Fri, 8 Apr 1994 11:03:47 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <199404081803.LAA00256@wps.com> Subject: if you're experienceing troubles... To: wps-users Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 11:03:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 345 Let me know. I'v ejust switched over to the new hardware, and I had problems all day long with mail. YOu might have had some mail bounce. My profuse apologies! I tested some things, and of courser those were'nt broke... If you have any troubles, let me know. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif.