From tomj Thu Mar 3 00:21:04 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA02437; Thu, 3 Mar 94 00:21:03 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9403030821.AA02437@wps.com> Subject: Re: spellchecker? To: mrobbins@fido.wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 00:21:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9403021648.AA01187@wps.com> from "Marge Robbins" at Mar 2, 94 08:48:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 320 Status: OR > Do you have a spellchecker online? Yup, it's called "ispell". > Do you remember David Drexell? He's involved himself in the project and > has been quite helpful. good! Glad you found a site too. Feel free to use stuff here too. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From tomj Thu Mar 3 15:07:17 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA02464; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:07:17 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9403032307.AA02464@wps.com> Subject: Re: At the request of the ZEC To: mrobbins@fido.wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 15:07:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9403032255.AA02425@wps.com> from "Marge Robbins" at Mar 3, 94 02:55:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4971 Status: OR > Dan Buda asked me to talk to you about the following message. It was > posted in ZEC. Needless to say it has him a little upset. Mr. Germer has > been a royal a****** lately. Would you please clarify what you meant by > those oft quoted words? Thanks Unfortunately for some people, I really meant what I wrote then. Someone else forwarded me Germer's obnoxious flame (and all or most of my article that he quoted) and I even still agree with it. Not that I support Germer, whatever the hell he's trying to do. ANd neither do I support Buda, nor anyone, for that matter -- this is not a reflection on Buda nor anyoen else, just that I refused to get dragged into FIdoNet policy crap. My thoughts on Policy4 are clear -- germer got that much wrong, I think the "policy" part of P4 is horrible and embarrasingly idiotic -- note that P4 also contains quite solid *proceedural* stuff, ie. how numbers are assigned, and all that, which were at least at one time derived from need and practice. Nobody wants me on their side anymore, lucky for me :-) I'm utterly and completely opposed to formal centralized guidelines for FidoNet, irregardless of intent or direction. CENTRALIZATION IS WRONG FOR A DECENTRALIZED NETWORK. Mostly, people want to drag in inappropriate schems they're already comfprtable with -- "democracy" is the usual stupid word used. Democracy only works if you have a "demo" ie. a base of people rooted to a physical place. Fidonet is not. > > Msg # --- Date: Tue 3-01-94, 10:42 am [I] > From: BOB GERMER Read: 2 times [1 Reply] > > To: DAN BUDA Origin: 1:266/21 > Subject: Re: This area > > On Sun, Feb 27, 1994 at 10:56, Dan Buda of 1:290/627 had this to say to > Bob > Germer writing from 1:950/10: > > >> No, Bob, I am anti-anything that violates Policy 4, attempts > >> to control other sysops, or violates the spirit of Tom > >> Jennings who founded this net and who owns the rights to the > >> name. > >> > >> As TJ so aptly stated last summer, ANYONE who tells a Fido > >> sysop he must do anything not required by Policy 4 is a > >> conniving xxxx up to no good. > >> > DB=> > DB=>And Bob, I believe you are entirely misquoting DB=>out-of-context> and certainly misrepresenting what Tom > DB=>Jennings said > > > You lying candyass. Here are TJ's words from Fido1028.NWS: > > > ----------BEGIN TJ's WORDS-------------------------- > > The FidoNet works just fine with "no one in charge" (sic) and to > those who claim it isn't do not understand how large social > orgnizations work -- they do not run like military groups or prisons > -- they are chaotic and undergo *constant* change and friction. > (Anyone around for more than a few years knows that "the sky is > falling!" has been sounded more than a few times.) > > FidoNet working means: the nodelist has incredible accuracy; netmail > from point A to point B is delivered reliably, new people can join > the network without restriction, no person or group can control > the content of a persons communications nor prevent any person from > communicating with any other FidoNet member, everyone carries their > own weight, technologies and social systems continue to grow and > "improve." > > Anyone who tells you your ability to communicate with FidoNet > depends on the good will or actions or rulesheet of another is a > conniving shit up to no good. Plain enough?! > > PS: the idea that people with 0's in their FidoNet address are > somehow different from everyone else is nonsense. What they have > is added work, not "power". And for anyone who believes in that > they have control over how they run their systems: THE /0'S DO > NOT RUN FIDONET. NO ONE PERSON OR GROUP IS IN CHARGE. > > Most of the /0's themselves are quite reasonable, and realize this > themselves. It's nothing new. > > ----------------END OF TJ's WORDS--------------------- > > So take that and blow it out of your ass. You have been clearly shown to > be > a conniving shit up to no good by the person who also pointed out in the > article that HE owns the copyright to Fidonet, Fido, etc. and will pull > them if this crap continues. > > Bob Germer > > -- Dan Buda per Tom Jennings: A conniving shit up to no good > > --- Msgedsq/2 2.2e > * Origin: Capital City BBS and the REAL EASTERN STAR (1:266/21) > > > > -- > > > I've known Dan for a long time. He may not be the best ZEC fidonet has > ever had,but he's not a petty dictator either. If he doesn't cut > Germer's link to ZEC _I_ will. that volitile conference> > > |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > | mrobbins@wps.com | > |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~: > : KEEPER OF THE FIDONET ARCHIVES : > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From tomj Thu Mar 3 15:09:53 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA02475; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:09:52 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9403032309.AA02475@wps.com> Subject: Re: At the request of the ZEC To: mrobbins@fido.wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 15:09:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9403032255.AA02425@wps.com> from "Marge Robbins" at Mar 3, 94 02:55:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 660 Status: OR AMENDMENT too fast with the S)end eky -- "Democracry works only where..." I do not believe democracy works *at all*. It certainyl doesnt un the US. As far as th eUS constitutionally derived democracy goes, the Constitution has done all the work, and slowed down the inevitable erosion by special interests with all the money (ie. power). Note the importance of power/money. IFNA managed to erode things within months. Thats what a "democracy" will do when the tools are complex and subtle -- those with the power to manipulate will do so so fast it takes your breath away. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From dallas.hinton@f715.n153.z1.fidonet.org Sun Mar 13 20:28:54 1994 Received: from zeus.ieee.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA21184; Sun, 13 Mar 94 20:28:48 -0800 Received: by zeus.ieee.org (4.1/Z-3.62-03.13.94) id AA16278; Sun, 13 Mar 94 23:05:33 EST Received: by nisc.fidonet.org (GIGO 0.98w32) id AA09484; 13 Mar 94 23:01:37 -0500 From: Dallas.Hinton@f715.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Dallas Hinton) Date: 13 Mar 94 19:13:42 -0500 Message-Id: Organization: FidoNet: X-Mail-Agent: GIGO+ sn 37 at nisc vsn 0.98w32 To: Mrobbins@wps.com Status: OR Hi Marge -- In this week's snooze you mentioned you'd like someone to store the archives -- I would be willing to donate something in excess of 30 megs for this project, as Canada's and Region 17's contribution to your great efforts! If you're willing, may I suggest that perhaps a QIC-80 tape would be a good way to transfer the bulk? I can be reached at 1:153/715, or by snail at 2110 West 45th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V6M 2J1 Canada Cheers ... Dallas From ddrex@okcforum.osrhe.edu Tue Mar 15 03:04:22 1994 Received: from okcforum.osrhe.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA02986; Tue, 15 Mar 94 03:04:18 -0800 Received: by okcforum.osrhe.edu (5.59/25-eef) id AA20217; Tue, 15 Mar 94 05:04:52 CST From: David Drexler Message-Id: <9403151104.AA20217@okcforum.osrhe.edu> Subject: Re: update and test To: mrobbins@wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 5:04:45 CST In-Reply-To: <9403150349.AA01518@wps.com>; from "Marge Robbins" at Mar 14, 94 7:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR % Sigh! Providing he doesn't kick me off. 8-( I ran him out of disk space % a whiel ago moving those JPGs over here. Plus while I was doing the % transfer he posted a mesasge asking me not to do large FTP stuff except % way out of normal hours. I guess I really showed down the system. Yup, a big ftp will slow things down alright. Please wait for late hours here, too. A hint about freespace... Exactly how this is determined depends on the flavor of unix you're using, and I don't know what wps runs. So this is for my system and I hope it works there, too. First, you need to know what directory the files are going into. If you're using anon ftp, you may have to ask TJ what the full pathname is. If you are doing a regular login and upload by modem, or ftp login under your regular login id, then you can find out what your home directory name is with the "pwd" command. (On this system, it is /u1/mrobbins) Then utter: df directory-name The "df" stands for "disk free". Here, you'd do: df /u1/mrobbins and you'd see this: /u1/mrobbins (/dev/dsk/c3t5d0s8): 44848 blocks 34058 i-nodes The number of blocks is what matters. A block is 512 bytes. Mentally divide by 1000 and drop the decimal (or just shift right 3 places). Using our example, you get 44. Divide by 2. You get 22. So, there is roughly 22 megs free on the disk containing the /u1/mrobbins directory. How many megs will you upload? Don't upload (or ftp) so much that freespace will drop below 10 megs. And that's pushing it! If it's already at 10 megs or below, tread lightly. All unix systems have a /tmp directory for temp storage. It is often on a seperate disk of its own, so that if it overflows, it won't crash the system. If you don't have room enough for the files where you wanted to put them, check out /tmp. Again, using okcforum for example: df /tmp gets you: /tmp (/dev/dsk/c1d0s2 ): 60862 blocks 64646 i-nodes 60862 / 1000 = 60 60 / 2 = 30 Approx 30 megs free. Got it? Give it a try and let me know if this makes sense. David From matthew.landry@f109.n267.z1.fidonet.org Tue Mar 15 12:26:47 1994 Received: from zeus.ieee.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA04299; Tue, 15 Mar 94 12:26:43 -0800 Received: by zeus.ieee.org (4.1/Z-3.62-03.13.94) id AA19362; Tue, 15 Mar 94 15:05:04 EST Received: by nisc.fidonet.org (GIGO 0.98w32) id AA00177; 15 Mar 94 15:01:28 -0500 From: Matthew.Landry@f109.n267.z1.fidonet.org (Matthew Landry) Date: 15 Mar 94 14:29:03 -0500 Subject: Article Message-Id: <426_9403151501@nisc.fidonet.org> Organization: FidoNet: X-Mail-Agent: GIGO+ sn 37 at nisc vsn 0.98w32 To: mrobbins@wps.com Status: OR Hello, I recently caught your article in Fidonews. I would be more than happy to make space available here in NY for your Fidonet Archives. This actually comes at a great time as myself and another local Sysop (Ross Calloway also in Net 267) have recently started running Toms last version of Fido BBS. Anyway I'd appreciate a note at your convenience outlining how you wish to co- ordinate everything. Looking forward to hearing from you. Matthew Landry 1:267/109 Voice 518-782-0813 That same number is data from midnight till 6am EST Snail Address: 311 Old Loudon Road Latham, New York 12110 From mike.faul@ccmail.com Wed Mar 16 12:52:30 1994 Received: from blinky.ccmail.COM by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA08619; Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:52:24 -0800 Received: from smtpgate.ccmail.com by blinky.ccmail.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22013; Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:54:26 PST Received: from ccMail by smtpgate.ccmail.com id AA763851094 Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:51:34 pst Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:51:34 pst From: mike.faul@ccmail.com Message-Id: <9402167638.AA763851094@smtpgate.ccmail.com> To: mrobbins@wps.com Subject: FidoNet History Status: OR Mary, I hear you are writing a book on the history of FidoNet. If you are looking for any information that I can help with please let me know. I first joined FidoNet back in early 1985 (or the end of 84) I can't really remember. I may even have an old Nodelist from then archived somewhere. I was the second FidoNet BBS in the State of Maine, the first left Fido shortly after that and remember there only being a few hundred nodes world wide. In the past ten years in Fido Net I have been involved in the NET oin one shape or another, as a node, a hub, a gateway, zonegate or other activity. Let me know if I can help, I would be more than happy to. Mike Faul Sr. Systems Engineer Lotus Development/cc:Mail Moutain View CA. (415) 335-6666 mfaul@ccmail.com mike.faul@f226.n143.z1@fidonet.org From 100321.2327@CompuServe.COM Sat Mar 19 00:21:27 1994 Received: from arl-img-1.compuserve.com by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA00920; Sat, 19 Mar 94 00:21:24 -0800 Received: from localhost by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.4/5.930129sam) id DAA26559; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 03:21:19 -0500 Date: 19 Mar 94 03:18:50 EST From: Bjoern Haase <100321.2327@CompuServe.COM> To: Marge Robbins Subject: Fido-Germany Message-Id: <940319081849_100321.2327_BHB32-1@CompuServe.COM> Status: OR Hello Marge, I have written several messages in the German Fido-Net for Information about the trouble... I will send them to you immediately after I get them.... regards/gruesse Bjoern Haase From tomj Mon Mar 21 10:10:02 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA08698; Mon, 21 Mar 94 10:10:02 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9403211810.AA08698@wps.com> Subject: Re: stuff To: mrobbins@fido.wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 10:10:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9403111952.AA12185@wps.com> from "Marge Robbins" at Mar 11, 94 11:52:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 961 Status: OR > Grin! The docs weren't much help, but I think I have it figured out. > That alias thing is kinda cool. Do you want to be on the mailing list > for the project? re: lists. I can make you a *real* mailing list if you want. "some-list-name"@wps.com. How it works is, you create some fiel with email names, one per line with a comma, like: tomj@wps.com (TOm Jennings), foo@bar.com, user@host.domain, and so on, and I make an alias that reads the contents of your file (/u/mrobbins/foo-list, whatever). Then you maintain the list. I'll make an alias 'owner-foo-list' so that bounces, errors etc go to you, and not to the whole list (like email tends to do otherwise). This is quite painless, and lets others on the list reply to 'list@wps.com' and not have to wait for you to re-mail it. Though that might be desireable for you, I dont know. Just another tool for you. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From mike.faul@ccmail.com Mon Mar 21 11:12:29 1994 Received: from blinky.ccmail.COM by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA09192; Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:12:24 -0800 Received: from smtpgate.ccmail.com by blinky.ccmail.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14728; Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:14:38 PST Received: from ccMail by smtpgate.ccmail.com id AA764277021 Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:10:21 pst Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:10:21 pst From: mike.faul@ccmail.com Message-Id: <9402217642.AA764277021@smtpgate.ccmail.com> To: mrobbins@wps.com (Marge Robbins) Subject: Re[2]: FidoNet History Status: OR OOPS Sorry I got your name wrong. You can call me at 408-261-3706 (Home) usually there after 6pm Mike From tomj Tue Mar 22 12:12:13 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA13731; Tue, 22 Mar 94 12:12:12 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9403222012.AA13731@wps.com> Subject: Re: Another country heard from To: mrobbins@fido.wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 12:12:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9403221917.AA13578@wps.com> from "Marge Robbins" at Mar 22, 94 11:17:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 492 Status: OR > Fabian Gorden contacted me this morning. He's offered to put the > history stuff on CD for distribution. What do you think? Will we have > any legal complications? I have no problem in principle. We'll just ahve to make sure copyright, trademark,e tc is done right, and make sure stuff-not-mine is accounted for. Basically this is a go-ahead. We can go over the list right before it's finalized. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From @mail.uunet.ca:exlibris!max@tdkcs Wed Mar 23 05:34:05 1994 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA16266; Wed, 23 Mar 94 05:33:57 -0800 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwily04068; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:33:55 -0500 Received: from xenitec.xenitec.on.ca ([142.77.5.3]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <116384(2)>; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:33:13 -0500 Received: from tdkcs by xenitec.xenitec.on.ca id aa27832; 22 Mar 94 23:40 EST Received: by tdkcs.waterloo-rdp.on.ca (smail2.5) id AA05302; 22 Mar 94 20:05:58 EST (Tue) Received: by exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 22 Mar 94 12:55:18 EST for mrobbins@wps.com To: Marge Robbins Subject: Re: progress From: Sylvia Maxwell Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 12:46:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9403211231.AA07901@wps.com> Organization: Fidonews, editors Status: OR Hey, thanks for the last article, and congrats on getting connected with so many people, including someone in Germany. We had fan mail for your "net yarn" of 1988 from Bill Allbritten [1:11/301]. He had attended the first FidoConn, and has some stories maybe. cheers, s.max. From r3hjl@dax.cc.uakron.edu Wed Mar 23 16:03:07 1994 Received: from dax.cc.uakron.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA17901; Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:03:03 -0800 Received: by dax.cc.uakron.edu (5.65/Ultrix4.3) id AA20428; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 19:02:09 -0500 From: r3hjl@dax.cc.uakron.edu (Howard J. Lymor) Message-Id: <9403240002.AA20428@dax.cc.uakron.edu> Subject: Solution For You To: mrobbins@wps.com Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 19:02:09 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] Status: OR I just read Fido News (11 or 12 I think). Anyway, you mentioned that you needed someone to run OCR on some stuff for you. Well, I have a solution that might work: I have WinFax Pro 3.0. It contains an OCR engine. It's not great, but, if you're typed print is in pretty good condition, you can use it to perform OCR on a fax. I'm sure you can find a fax machine locally (at worst, you can try Kinko's, but they are an expensive solution). I'd suggest a small business (accountant, deli shop, etc.) because they would probably not mind you're calling out to a local fax number. No, I'm not local, but I'm sure you can set something up with your local techies (we live for this stuff). If not, find the number of the local computer software store and tell them you want to try out Win Fax Pro before you buy and do they have a machine setup with fax modem. They probably have a fax machine in the store office that you can use. Send your pages to their computer and test out the OCR engine. (I know, this sounds silly, but we have several stores in the Akron/Cleveland Ohio area that have these tricks played on them on a daily basis. What's worse, they haven't wisened up, even after I've blatantly pointed ruses such as this out to them!) If all this fails, drop the pages in an envelope and drop me a note in email. You can send them to me and I'll get them scanned for you. We have several scanners attached to a network in a Mac lab on campus. One of them can run an OCR package I have for the Mac. Nope, no mac. YET. Hope this helps, Howard -- ------------------------------------------------------------- | Howard J.D. Lymor r3hjl@dax.cc.uakron.edu | | DAX is Home or hlymor@nyx.cs.du.edu | | or hjlymor@aol.com | ------------------------------------------------------------- From david@stat.com Mon Mar 28 21:10:15 1994 Received: from herald.indirect.com by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA04794; Mon, 28 Mar 94 21:10:11 -0800 Received: from stat.UUCP by herald.direct.net with UUCP id AA18554 (5.65c/HERALD-BP1.0-IDA-1.4.4 for mrobbins@wps.com); Mon, 28 Mar 1994 21:42:47 -0700 Received: by stat.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 28 Mar 94 21:29:35 MST for mrobbins@wps.com To: mrobbins@wps.com (Marge Robbins) Subject: Re: fidonews article From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Message-Id: <69LXJc6w165w@stat.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 94 21:27:52 MST In-Reply-To: <9403281102.AA01293@wps.com> Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY Status: OR mrobbins@wps.com (Marge Robbins) writes: > I've been doing it both ways, but taping a conversation is proving the > be the least time consuming and most productive way of doing things. > Then once the tape is transcriped I'll send you a copy for editing. > Until then nobody but you and I will see it. So you don't need to worry > overly much about misspeaking. Not really worried about that. Just have to find a time to do it. Basically weeknights after 9 pm MST would be best for me. I don't know what time zone you are in. > Many many thanks. Ok if you would shoot me a voice number and a > good time to call. 602-391-3077 david --- Editor, HICNet Medical Newsletter Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 Bitnet : ATW1H@ASUACAD From ivgate!jsw@uunet.UU.NET Mon Mar 28 23:52:33 1994 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA05188; Mon, 28 Mar 94 23:52:30 -0800 Received: from uucp3.uu.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwjhf01041; Tue, 29 Mar 94 02:52:20 -0500 Received: from ivgate.UUCP by uucp3.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL ; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 02:52:20 -0500 Received: by ivgate.omahug.org (5.65/smail2.2/06-30-87) id AA09993; Tue, 29 Mar 94 00:29:16 -0600 From: jsw@ivgate.omahug.org (Jack Winslade) Message-Id: <9403290629.AA09993@ivgate.omahug.org> Subject: Fidonet timeline info To: mrobbins@fido.wps.com Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 00:29:14 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 404 Status: OR One thing I thought of that you might want to include. An entry for 'Voyager II passes Neptune'. That was kind of a standing entry in the Snooze back in '87 or so, and was the subject of some discussion. On another note, did I ever send you a copy of the various notes from Omaha regarding Fidonet trivia ?? I know I collected them, but I'm not sure if I sent them off to you. Good day JSW From david@stat.com Tue Mar 29 06:38:36 1994 Received: from herald.indirect.com by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA06551; Tue, 29 Mar 94 06:38:33 -0800 Received: from stat.UUCP by herald.direct.net with UUCP id AA20377 (5.65c/HERALD-BP1.0-IDA-1.4.4 for mrobbins@wps.com); Tue, 29 Mar 1994 07:21:23 -0700 Received: by stat.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 29 Mar 94 07:15:52 MST for mrobbins@wps.com To: mrobbins@wps.com (Marge Robbins) Subject: Re: until tomorrow From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 94 07:15:10 MST In-Reply-To: <9403291339.AA06427@wps.com> Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY Status: OR mrobbins@wps.com (Marge Robbins) writes: > Central standard. But that's ok. I'll just have to chose a night when > I > don't have to be at work early the next morning. Ok. > Thanks. I think tomorrow night will work best for me, this week anyway. If things aren't good, I'll let you know when you call. > BTW I have a mailing list set up here on wps.com for the history > project. > I'm using it mostly for progress reports. Would you like to be on it? Sure. --- Editor, HICNet Medical Newsletter Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 Bitnet : ATW1H@ASUACAD From @mail.uunet.ca:exlibris!max@tdkcs Tue Mar 29 09:05:42 1994 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA06920; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:05:38 -0800 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwjiq26982; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:05:25 -0500 Received: from xenitec.xenitec.on.ca ([142.77.5.3]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <120213(5)>; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:01:34 -0500 Received: from tdkcs by xenitec.xenitec.on.ca id aa14231; 29 Mar 94 11:58 EST Received: by tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (smail2.5) id AA23751; 29 Mar 94 10:31:34 EST (Tue) Received: by exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 28 Mar 94 09:53:43 EST for mrobbins@wps.com To: Marge Robbins Subject: Re: addendum From: Sylvia Maxwell Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 09:52:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9403281313.AA01787@wps.com> Organization: Fidonews, editors Status: OR Thanks, i got the files list. How do i request files? [Sorry this is dumb question, but..] fweep! pop, s.max. From ddrex@okcforum.osrhe.edu Tue Mar 29 15:33:59 1994 Received: from okcforum.osrhe.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA07933; Tue, 29 Mar 94 15:33:55 -0800 Received: by okcforum.osrhe.edu (5.59/25-eef) id AA19602; Tue, 29 Mar 94 16:21:09 CST From: David Drexler Message-Id: <9403292221.AA19602@okcforum.osrhe.edu> Subject: returned To: mrobbins@wps.com Date: Tue, 29 Mar 94 16:21:02 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR I'm back in OKC. Where did we leave off? David From tomj Wed Mar 30 13:01:39 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA10963; Wed, 30 Mar 94 13:01:36 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9403302101.AA10963@wps.com> Subject: disk full! To: wps-users Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 13:01:36 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1173 Status: OR Well, the /u (ie. users') partition is full. It's not a problem for me. Don't panic on my regard! You might want to look through your files and delete things you don't need. If you have some large files you want to archive, let me know; I can put them on a tape for you. If you want a copy of the tape, a QIC-150, for $20 I'll make you a verified copy and mial it to you. FYI. But I will spool it off onto a tape for free, if you have some giant archive you want saved. Otherwise, the system is full until someone removes a bunch of files. If you ever want to know how much space is available, use 'df', which is the closest thing to CHKDSK, and about as informative: Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 15758 13394 788 94% / /dev/wd0h 321678 274796 14714 95% /usr /dev/wd1a 103482 90702 2430 97% /u <<------ THIS ONE /dev/wd1h 533988 434270 46318 90% /hell It give the number of 512-byte blocks (sigh), times 2 for K bytes. Hmm, there's some space left, so someoone deleteed some. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From @mail.uunet.ca:exlibris!max@tdkcs Thu Mar 31 19:20:21 1994 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA18287; Thu, 31 Mar 94 19:20:16 -0800 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwjrp23165; Thu, 31 Mar 94 22:19:32 -0500 Received: from xenitec.xenitec.on.ca ([142.77.5.3]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <121338(3)>; Thu, 31 Mar 1994 22:18:11 -0500 Received: from tdkcs by xenitec.xenitec.on.ca id aa13699; 31 Mar 94 14:19 EST Received: by tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (smail2.5) id AA04462; 31 Mar 94 13:46:28 EST (Thu) Received: by exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 31 Mar 94 13:11:19 EST for mrobbins@wps.com To: Marge Robbins Subject: Re: stuff From: Sylvia Maxwell Message-Id: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 13:08:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9403302324.AA12004@wps.com> Organization: Fidonews, editors Status: OR ftp stuff: oh, thank YOU. I had almost decided [again] to stop writing letters at 1:30 in the morning while in altered states. i really want to be able to read stuff in your archive. thanks, again, s.max. From tomj Fri Apr 1 02:09:51 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA19706; Fri, 1 Apr 94 02:09:50 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9404011009.AA19706@wps.com> Subject: Re: puppy To: mrobbins@fido.wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 02:09:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9403281751.AA02315@wps.com> from "Marge Robbins" at Mar 28, 94 09:51:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2172 Status: OR > Puppy is cute. Somebody sent me a copy. Wanna give me some background? I was tired of the complexity and creeping featuritis of most BBS software. Fido is pretty simple, but it still scares novices. I was expirmenting with what a more-intuitive interface would be. Plus a very, very small scale system. It runs OK on a singly floppy! The message base size is predefined. It never grows. v1 didn't even have a caller file. It's not really needed except for remembering where you were last. Since anyone can logon as anyone else, it was boring enough that no one did it! v2 added a caller file, because it was line if the thing remembered when you were on last, for you. I wonder if this is useful. Not for us email junkies, but for really casual use. If you only call in say once a week to read stuff, who cares if it remembers the exact message number and all that? On a busy system, it's all rolled off the end anyways! Theonly required use for the username is for the message "from" field. I never played out the possibilities of email even. I never played with the format: dear: Marge This is my message... from: tomj Like a letter... a postcard is probably a better model: +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | How are you? I'm having fun, etc | To: Marge | | | | | | | | | | | | From: tomj | | | | | | | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ As far as I know, no one's ever done any expirimentation with presentation in an ASCII world. ANd now it's all gone to flashing color dogs, etc which I think is irritating. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From tomj Fri Apr 1 02:12:45 1994 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA19745; Fri, 1 Apr 94 02:12:44 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9404011012.AA19745@wps.com> Subject: Re: stuff To: mrobbins@fido.wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 02:12:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9403291337.AA06417@wps.com> from "Marge Robbins" at Mar 29, 94 05:37:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 434 Status: OR > >>circle.jpg > > >What's not obvious here is that I have bright orange hair... > > Why? What's the story? It was when I was presented the Andrew Fluegelman Award in '87. The other guy is David Bunnell, editor of PC-someting mag. (I think it's the only time the award has been given to a non-commercial package, ever. It was the first one.) -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From ddrex@okcforum.osrhe.edu Fri Apr 1 05:43:11 1994 Received: from okcforum.osrhe.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA20515; Fri, 1 Apr 94 05:43:02 -0800 Received: by okcforum.osrhe.edu (5.59/25-eef) id AA21305; Fri, 1 Apr 94 07:44:08 CST From: David Drexler Message-Id: <9404011344.AA21305@okcforum.osrhe.edu> Subject: etc To: mrobbins@wps.com (Fido Historian) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 94 7:44:03 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Projects for me, eh? Good thing you have so many willing volunteers. :-) I suggested that your peruse the snooze in regards to ifna, by way of finding pointers to people who were involved. For awhile, there was a list of the members of the BoD in each issue. Those people, if they'll even talk about it, could be a valuable research resource. As a historical record or reflection of prevailing attitudes of the time, the snooze is useless. Anyone can write anything--and usually does. Even where you find authoritative writers, like TJ and Ken Kaplan, if the issue is emotionally charged, you have to know all the background of the situation to also know why he was taking a particular position. They're only human, and subject to misunderstandings and misinterpretations. I talked to Ken on the phone more than a few times when he was so fed up with all the crap that he wanted to line all flamers up and shot 'em in the head. This kind of thing really weighs on a person, ifna was a magnet for the worst of it, and plenty of that animosity and hatefulness wound up between the electronic pages of the snooze. On the other hand, I'm sure that some of the issues touched on between the bursts of flamage will trigger old memories that might be worth discussing. If you want to ask me about specific issues in the context of an interview, I'll be happy to talk about them (if I'm aware of what happened). I'm still looking forward to talking to you, and to reading the uncut versions of the interviews you've done already. I promise, cross my heart and hope to die, not to reveal any of it to anyone. In a recent message you referenced an account of something to do with a midwest hub fiasco (I accidentally deleted the message). If this is in connection with Tony Davis, I've got *plenty* of stories about that toad. Some of them are personal, like the time he set his system up to insert my node number into *every* message passing through him so that no echomail would reach me. Almost got him excommunicated for that stunt. He got into bbsing in the first place as a consultant for the phone company, which was at that time wanting to introduce a videotex service (minitel), saw bbs's as competition, and wanted to shut them all down. Tony was to be their "inside man", a sysop consultant. He used to boast about it at local sysop meetings. Quelle chutpah! Bell's approach to killing off bbs's was to declare them all to be "businesses", and thus to be charged business rates on their phone service. They launched their first strike down in Texas, not against fidonetters, but netters soon became targets as well, and then all hell broke loose! (This really deserves at least a paragraph in your book. Fidonet contributed quite a lot to winning that fight and giving Bell a black eye I don't think they'll ever forget.) Tony used to boast that he was millionaire, and ran the biggest purveyor of telephone switching equipment in the country. That was before he got busted for selling kiddie porn on CD-ROM last year, and Bell cancelled all his contracts. (He was mastering them on the same machine he used for the echo hub, and was kind enough to demonstrate the process to the undercover cop who busted him. That's why they confiscated the machine.) Current wisdom has it that he's going to serve time. Can't say as I'm shedding any crocodile tears for him. BTW, this is not for publication! Not without heavy editing, anyway. David From ddrex@okcforum.osrhe.edu Mon Apr 4 12:34:37 1994 Received: from okcforum.osrhe.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA10054; Mon, 4 Apr 94 12:34:25 -0700 Received: by okcforum.osrhe.edu (5.59/25-eef) id AA12873; Mon, 4 Apr 94 14:35:29 CDT From: David Drexler Message-Id: <9404041935.AA12873@okcforum.osrhe.edu> Subject: Re: etc To: mrobbins@wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 14:35:24 CDT In-Reply-To: <9404031157.AA05049@wps.com>; from "Marge Robbins" at Apr 3, 94 4:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR % > Projects for me, eh? % Well, you did say you would help. 8-) And I will! One of my must-do-immediately-panic-panic-panic jobs got postponed, so I'm not quite as uptight as I was before. What was it you wanted me to do with the old snoozes? % > I'm still looking forward to talking to you, and to reading the uncut % % Tha'ts coming don't worry. A couple of night ago a talked to David % Dodell. Talk about an interesting tape. I'll bet. Looking forward to that one! % Well, I can show you TJ's, but I have been telling everybody else that % no one will see the unedited versions. I wouldn't feel right violating % that. TJ said I could share with members of my working group. I'm confused. You've asked me to read them 3 or 4 times, and requested a nondisclosure of some kind in a recent msg so you could feel comfortable about sending them to me. What's your point? I don't care one way or the other. I thought I was doing you a favor. % > In a recent message you referenced an account of something to do with % > a midwest hub fiasco (I accidentally deleted the message). If this is in % > connection with Tony Davis, I've got *plenty* of stories about that toad. % % Do't call Tony Davis a toad. He's got a sexy voice. Sounds like one too. % 8-) but no, I % wasn't refering to Tony. There was a guy whose name I have forgotten now % who served as the midwest star who just dropped out of sight after % ripping off a lot of folks. It happened just before the Cincy 'con. Someone tipped off the FBI that he was going to be there, and made up a poster with someone else's face (that we didn't like) and this guy's name on it. An FBI agent showed up and nosed around, but neither of them showed. It was great fun. Speaking of con fun, I still have a delta felter. % > BTW, this is not for publication! Not without heavy editing, anyway. % % Fair enough. We ned to talk though BEFORE I tak to Tony. When's a % good time? Any time is as bad as any other. :-) Weekend preferred, most likely, and easier on the wallet, too. I'd like to review some of what you've gathered so far, first, if you don't mind. Do you have a list of questions, or shall we just wing it? David From ddrex@okcforum.osrhe.edu Mon Apr 4 12:40:55 1994 Received: from okcforum.osrhe.edu by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA10089; Mon, 4 Apr 94 12:40:52 -0700 Received: by okcforum.osrhe.edu (5.59/25-eef) id AA12918; Mon, 4 Apr 94 14:42:00 CDT From: David Drexler Message-Id: <9404041942.AA12918@okcforum.osrhe.edu> Subject: Re: Trojan Horses To: mrobbins@wps.com (Marge Robbins) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 14:41:56 CDT In-Reply-To: <9404032009.AA06048@wps.com>; from "Marge Robbins" at Apr 3, 94 1:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR % Some wierd things are happening. I need you advice. When's a good ttime % for a voice con? If it's a matter of urgency, anytime. The two numbers that'll most likely work are: 405-947-8868 (home) and 405-521-1435 (office). I don't keep regular hours, though my wife does, so don't call the home number after 10pm central. If you can finger me (to this mail address) and see that I am logged in, the office number will get me. David From chip@infinet.com Mon Apr 4 19:15:43 1994 Received: from rigel.infinet.com by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA01093; Mon, 4 Apr 94 19:15:39 -0700 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0po0i4-000D5mC; Mon, 4 Apr 94 22:17 EDT Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 22:17:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Morrow Subject: Re: file moving To: Marge Robbins In-Reply-To: <9404050022.AA00500@wps.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, Marge Robbins wrote: Well, you typed this message on my birthday . I'm 33 today. > confmail.zip Confmail v.1 Ahem. This is still v3.3, not v1. > kk_agree Trademark agreement between TJ and K. Kaplin > member.zip IFNA membership 1986 I believe these are "kk_agree.jpg" and "members.zip", respectively. I will stop over to ftp.fidonet.org as soon as I get the chance, and nab what I don't already have on 1:226/730. I have been converting the .ARC's, .LZH's and .ARJ's to ZIP so as to try and maintain some consistency. If you would like to see my file listing as I have it now, I'd be happy to post it here for you. I also found and nabbed a Windows JPEG viewer so that I (and anyone who comes here looking for stuff) can view these things. I have that available as JPEG.ZIP in the same directory. Best, Chip From chigate!org!fidonet!z1!n282!f1009!jim.hadfield@mcs.com Mon Apr 4 20:59:49 1994 Received: from Mercury.mcs.com by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA01579; Mon, 4 Apr 94 20:59:46 -0700 Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Mon, 4 Apr 94 22:59 CDT Received: by chigate.fidonet.org (GIGO 0.98w32) id AA00025; 04 Apr 94 22:59:23 -0600 From: jim.hadfield@f1009.n282.z1.fidonet.org (jim hadfield) Date: 04 Apr 94 16:14:18 -0600 Subject: History in the making? Message-Id: <14a_9404042259@chigate.fidonet.org> Organization: Chicago Internet <-> Fidonet Gateway [@chigate.fidonet.org] X-Mail-Agent: GIGO+ sn 17 at chigate vsn 0.98w32 To: mrobbins@wps.com Status: OR Marge, Well, I am relatively new at this Internet stuff, so here's hoping that I get the message through to you. I saw your article in last weeks snews, very interesting. No, I don't have a spare 30 megs to help you out. But, I have been around Fido for about 6 years now and have seen it go through a lot of changes. I've even been instrumental in starting up a couple of new networks. If you are interested, I will be glad to tell the tale. On another subject, I will be asking Tom Krueger, NEC282, to carry Z1_POLITICAL so we'uns up here (where it's snowing today) will be able to get it. I'll keep you posted. jim jim.hadfield@f0.n600.z144.chigate.com (I'm working on getting a registered site name, soon?) --- From aranita@muc.de Wed Apr 6 10:07:10 1994 Received: from colin.muc.de by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA10184; Wed, 6 Apr 94 10:06:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9404061706.AA10184@wps.com> Received: from wn.muc.de ([193.174.4.106]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <135959>; Wed, 6 Apr 1994 19:06:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 03:25:50 +0200 From: Werner Niedermeier Subject: FIDO-History To: mrobbins@fido.wps.com X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-ID: value found on colin.muc.de: Message-ID: ^-illegal subdomain in domain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello, you are searching for informations about FIDO-Net? I have a lot of stuff here - give me an internet-site where I can ftp the stuff and I will send it to you. Greetings from Munich, Germany \/\/erner -------------------------------------------------- Name : Werner Niedermeier E-mail : aranita@wn.muc.de (Werner Niedermeier) FIDO-Net : Werner Niedermeier 2:2480/3 Compuserve: 70007,5717 --------------------------------------------------