From @mail.uunet.ca:exlibris!max@tdkcs Thu Aug 19 23:28:44 1993 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA26950; Thu, 19 Aug 93 23:28:37 -0700 Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA20216; Fri, 20 Aug 93 02:28:32 -0400 Received: from tdkcs by mail.uunet.ca with UUCP id <101332(2)>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 02:28:27 -0400 Received: by tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (smail2.5) id AA29190; 20 Aug 93 01:12:38 EDT (Fri) Received: by exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 20 Aug 93 01:16:12 EST for tomj@wps.com To: tomj@wps.com Subject: cgange From: max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Sylvia Maxwell) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 01:19:04 -0400 Organization: Fidonews, editors Status: OR everybody in one BIG room: OOPS. I meant to type "change" in the subject line. Lots of people will say, "i like change. Change is somehthing that happens to me, that i want happening." They, the other people over there saying that, are the other people in the room. yahbut, nobody talks to me about randomness. i think we need more randomness. That's what happens when change happens by somebody else. From tomj Mon Aug 30 02:02:27 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA09628; Mon, 30 Aug 93 02:02:19 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9308300902.AA09628@wps.com> Subject: Re: cgange To: max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Sylvia Maxwell) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 02:02:19 +0000 (WET DST) Cc: tomj (Tom Jennings) In-Reply-To: from "Sylvia Maxwell" at Aug 20, 93 01:19:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3334 Status: O > nobody talks to me about randomness. i think we need more > randomness. That's what happens when change happens by > somebody else. YES!! (Even when it's someone else taking tyour money (long circuit I'm thinking of, not robbery). Substantial changes in San Fransicko. Lots of businesses closing. People on the street. Etc. But also -- lots of "boho" type places, instead of charging $7 for a shitty breakfast in a "boho" punk neighborhood, umm, the bridge & tunnel crowd no longer has in interest in slumming for fun. Instead, they're actually *becoming* punk grunge cafes with homemade stuff because, its all people can afford (will buy) and instead of fake dirt, it's real dirt. The TV subsume/consume culture can seemingly vampirize any potential threat, be it punk, Seattle grunge, rock'n'roll, whatever. However there's two things that don't work in that scheme (eg. show up at Macy's) ACTUAL sex and DIRT. Sex, they approach from all angles, but real SEX is sticky, smelly, slippery, and seeing two people FUCK ... looks silly! It's goofy! One of the utterly LAST things people want to do is NOT LOOK SERIOUS. Sex also means dirt (...) and bodies (scary!) and touching, and... the insides od their heads, the worst of all. DIRT is... the antithesis of Western culture. You could measure "class" by the amount of dirt tolerated. No one wants it. A dirt "look" might sell -- the Seattle grunge thing, ripped jeans, all that -- but ACTUAL dirt is like SEX. The crustcore punx have dirt as their central theme. Actual, crusty, filthy, filth. There's even crustcore music. I am not kidding. I love the crustcore kids. There are small crustcore enclaves, that hop trains (really) and hitchike, and now overlap the Rainbow family (check out one of their gatherings sometime, though you'll likely not lik ea lot of the crowd it is an amazing even nonetheless). A lot of them are castoff fuckup kids. San Fran in places (that I like) is developing a comfortable layer of well-worn dirt. It is Authentic dirt. Not for looks. It's the dirt of sex, the kind you don't mind. Like the crud that accumulates in drawers, corners, etc. It only grosses you out when its SOMEONE ELSES DIRT! Like moving into a new apartment, the dirt in drawers is somehow... icky. But your own dirt, who notices? (Maybe this is behind why the Normals HATE ALL DIRT -- THEY ARE ALIENS EVEN TO THEMSELVES!!!) A local "hip" restaraunt, the New Dawn, used to attract the art school kids, out-of-town wannabees and such.. it's a sort of trashed out restaraunt, with "kitchy" decorations, bad paintings, pervert art, bad food, etc. It was of course over priced and populted with hipsters. NO MORE! They're open later, for dinner, and have a $1.98 breakfast special, after 3pm! The food still sucks, but now they have real punks and locals eating there. People also seem to be getting more tattoos and other line-drawing decorations; it's like, it doesn't matter any more. I'm not gonna be able to be a Bank Teller during the day anyways, so what the fuck what I look like, I might as well like it. I like these lines being drawn. Assuming we hav to have the other part, ie. poverty on the rise. It's wartime, is all. I have no doubt the Normals will not win. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From @mail.uunet.ca:exlibris!max@tdkcs Tue Aug 31 17:24:34 1993 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA17512; Tue, 31 Aug 93 17:24:30 -0700 Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA27977; Tue, 31 Aug 93 20:24:27 -0400 Received: from xenitec.xenitec.on.ca ([142.77.5.3]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <102912(2)>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 18:09:13 -0400 Received: from tdkcs by xenitec.xenitec.on.ca id aa07129; 31 Aug 93 18:10 EDT Received: by tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (smail2.5) id AA16092; 31 Aug 93 16:44:06 EDT (Tue) Received: by exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 31 Aug 93 14:48:02 EST for tomj@wps.com To: tomj@wps.com Subject: little book From: Sylvia Maxwell Message-Id: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 15:43:14 -0400 Organization: Fidonews, editors Status: OR i LOVE this coulur book with ultimately suggestive hands. I've used Your name cards to measure them. Where does the libertylady come from? From tomj Tue Aug 31 20:53:05 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA18140; Tue, 31 Aug 93 20:52:55 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9309010352.AA18140@wps.com> Subject: Re: little book To: max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Sylvia Maxwell) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 20:52:55 +0000 (WET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Sylvia Maxwell" at Aug 31, 93 03:43:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1811 Status: O > Where does the > libertylady come from? She was, before dropping her turn-of-the-century propriety, and "classic" torch in favor of a Kallisti apple and a five-branched pot plant, the obverse of the 1914 (?) U.S. "Double Eagle", I believe a $5 gold piece. I tore the page out of an old coin collectors catalog, a line drawing. I blew it up to 11" x 14", made the edits, shrunk it back down. All via xerography. If I can locate a copy of reasonable size, and you have some way to display PCX files, I'll mail you one via FidoNet... I just bought a handheld scanner, for $99. What a great toy! I wanna run a BBS here with original graphics and photos, not the usual BORING BORING WHY DO SO FEW PEOPLE HAVE ANY IMAGINATION AT ALL boring scanned-in copies of junk out of magazine. I've got some photos, plus really old punkzines, some stuff sent in to HOMOCORE (though most of it I will never re-use, I don't consider it mine. It is essentialyl a social and cultural artifact that I will not pervert by selling to the normals or other consumer types) that won't devalue when exposed to the public. I have this hare-brained idea for a zine, based upon fun sex, ranting, appropriate techology (my version, not the hippy one), and suchlike, in a 3x4 ratio format, ie. 800x600, viewable on a VGA screen (mixed text and graphics) as well as printed, which format is about right for 1/2 "legal size" paper... I have to find some DOS paint programs!! Onces that can hack PCX and GIF. I don't need fancy features, mostly clip, cut editing, scaling would be nice (hmm actually nec4essary) and pasting. Do you use such things? Maybe I should consider buying one, but that always seems fruitless, everything is so overpriced. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From @mail.uunet.ca:exlibris!max@tdkcs Tue Aug 31 13:09:25 1993 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA16697; Tue, 31 Aug 93 13:09:19 -0700 Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA20514; Tue, 31 Aug 93 16:09:08 -0400 Received: from xenitec.xenitec.on.ca ([142.77.5.3]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <101790(2)>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 16:09:01 -0400 Received: from tdkcs by xenitec.xenitec.on.ca id aa01966; 31 Aug 93 16:10 EDT Received: by tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (smail2.5) id AA11292; 31 Aug 93 13:50:21 EDT (Tue) Received: by exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 30 Aug 93 13:41:40 EST for tomj@wps.com To: tomj@wps.com Subject: HEY WOW!>? From: Sylvia Maxwell Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 14:13:11 -0400 Organization: Fidonews, editors Status: OR THANK YOU!. I'm running around like it's a party. Now i have TWO pieces of paper plus envelopes with YOUR actual handwriting on them. I've been showing off your publications to gay activist friends, and especially to slightly narrow people who miraculously tolerate me. I didn't know you had a component car (rover?), and i LOVE that picture of Jesus with a little friend. There's a relic of a burned-out building, shaped like a pit with rubble in it on the main drag of here, next to the East End Tavern. We're going to rent some floodlights and hang paintings in it one evening. The guy from the gallery down the street, Keith, is planning to get a friend to play classical piano in the bottom of the pit. I want to walk around in a tuxedo and gloves, or maybe a thrift-store backless black satin depression era ball gown with steel stilletto heels, and offer hors d'oeuvres on a tray. That icky conversation about burning bodies was actually a long debate about how beurocracy does or doesn't whatever. I didn't get it, it made no sense to me, so i started writing e-mail instead. i wrote a bit more, like a play, while they were talking, then showed it to them, and they seemed to like it/be amused....very wierd scene.... Seems like anything, when taken SERIOUSLY, becomes impossibly complicated. i have to make a painting for you and mail it. If i send it to 55 Rondel, sf, 94103, will you get it? Mail art. Except i might not mail it until after an opening, because it has to be a good one and i want to put the good ones in the pit for a day. And you could always give it to someone if you don't want it. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU m. From @mail.uunet.ca:exlibris!max@tdkcs Tue Aug 31 22:09:05 1993 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA18543; Tue, 31 Aug 93 22:09:01 -0700 Received: from ghost.uunet.ca (via uunet.ca) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA12741; Wed, 1 Sep 93 01:08:58 -0400 Received: from xenitec.xenitec.on.ca ([142.77.5.3]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <100907(3)>; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 01:08:55 -0400 Received: from tdkcs by xenitec.xenitec.on.ca id aa02244; 1 Sep 93 1:10 EDT Received: by tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (smail2.5) id AA18574; 31 Aug 93 17:57:22 EDT (Tue) Received: by exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 31 Aug 93 17:32:32 EST for tomj@wps.com To: Tom Jennings Subject: Re: cgange From: Sylvia Maxwell Message-Id: <54m69B1w165w@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 18:17:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9308300902.AA09628@wps.com> Organization: Fidonews, editors Status: OR What is the rainbow crowd? i just went from the University end of this city to here, and all the houses went from tidy bungalows with flowers planted in specific places and mowed lawns, to scrub and randomness. i find the random parts interesting, the other stuff doesn't have any real air around it. i can't breathe in streets with curbs. We went to the campus so i could drop off a parking card to someone. I'm glad i don't work there anymore. I was sort of hoping no-one would recognize me because my hair is now pure BLACK instead of white, but it didn't work. i like your exposition of dirt, it addresses aesthetic issues i'm struggling with at the moment, like: should i ever bother cleaning the bathtub? Things get dirtier and dirtier and then i feel slimy, then i LIKE feeling slimy/clean. Then i clean the bathtub maybe, and re-arrange the dirt so it is visually pleasing to me. I don't like piles of same-color things, i like to split them up. Or make them higher and multi-coloured. Sometimes i clean the place for company by getting huge bunches and tiny shot glasses full of flowers and weeds, and place them carefully atop the piles, then everything looks nice. It really does look nice, then. mmm. From tomj Wed Sep 8 12:33:39 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA03272; Wed, 8 Sep 93 12:33:18 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9309081933.AA03272@wps.com> Subject: Re: HEY WOW!>? To: max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Sylvia Maxwell) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 12:33:18 +0000 (WET DST) Cc: tomj (Tom Jennings) In-Reply-To: from "Sylvia Maxwell" at Aug 30, 93 02:13:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3369 Status: OR > Now i have > TWO pieces of paper plus envelopes with YOUR actual handwriting > on them. I've been showing off your publications to gay activist > friends, and especially to slightly narrow people who miraculously > tolerate me. I didn't know you had a component car (rover?), and > i LOVE that picture of Jesus with a little friend. THat, plus a dollar (US :-) will buy you a cup of coffee... :-) Many gay activist types disliked HOMOCORE, because it implicitly and sometimes explicitly criticized the assimilationist agenda, and threw darts and the handsome-white-hunk mentality. Tough tootsies for them, I say. I hate disco! My Rambler sometimes annoys me... especially lately. It's a lot of work. Mostly because I keep fucking with it. I added an outboard tank so I can carry 28 gals of fuel. I am having problems with mileage (down to about 14, should be 17). But I'm going on another road trip next week, to New Mexico. I will eventually move there, or close to it. The bejeezus thing, really did come from a x-tian babble book. Amazing! > There's a relic of a burned-out building, shaped like a pit with > rubble in it on the main drag of here, next to the East End > Tavern. We're going to rent some floodlights and hang paintings > in it one evening. The guy from the gallery down the street, Keith, > is planning to get a friend to play classical piano in the bottom > of the pit. I want to walk around in a tuxedo and gloves, or > maybe a thrift-store backless black satin depression era ball > gown with steel stilletto heels, and offer hors d'oeuvres on a tray. My friend Duke and I did a slide show on a burned-out building. There had been a big politially-motivated arson, and so of course everyone though it was related. Nope. It was just slides of funny pictures, skateboarding, etc. We had a boombox playing unrelated music, and we handed out flyers for some show or something. Everyone just assumed signifigance. When we told them no, there was nothing going on except a slide show, no one believed us. It went on until the police came by, asked us what was going on, and I think eventually asked us to move along... it was on a side street so not many people came, but it was fun. I strongly recommend you do your art show in the pit! It will be fun! > That icky conversation about burning bodies was actually a long > debate about how beurocracy does or doesn't whatever. I didn't > get it, it made no sense to me, so i started writing e-mail instead. > i wrote a bit more, like a play, while they were talking, then > showed it to them, and they seemed to like it/be amused....very > wierd scene.... Seems like anything, when taken SERIOUSLY, > becomes impossibly complicated. Hmmm... yes I took it seriously, I guess I should not have, the apparent subject seemed serious... this reminds me of this slideshow we did... :-) > i have to make a painting for you and mail it. If i send it to > 55 Rondel, sf, 94103, will you get it? Mail art. Except i might > not mail it until after an opening, because it has to be a good > one and i want to put the good ones in the pit for a day. And > you could always give it to someone if you don't want it. Yes!!! Wow! I'd be honored to receive one of your paintings!!! -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif. From tomj Wed Sep 8 12:53:09 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA03341; Wed, 8 Sep 93 12:52:45 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9309081952.AA03341@wps.com> Subject: Re: cgange To: max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Sylvia Maxwell) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 12:52:45 +0000 (WET DST) Cc: tomj (Tom Jennings) In-Reply-To: <54m69B1w165w@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> from "Sylvia Maxwell" at Aug 31, 93 06:17:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4036 Status: O > What is the rainbow crowd? The Rainbow Family is a giant (10,000+) nomadic cultural thing in North America. They look more or less like "hippies". You don't see to much of them usually. They are genuinely nomadic, and hold various Gatherings, usually a big annual one. Each year in a different US state. About 10,000 people show up, sometimes less. They take advantage of US Federal homesteading laws, much to the chagrin of authorities. Gatherings are free, and everyone pitches in -- or not. They don't worry about it. There are communal meals (pretty minimal though, poverty is an assumption so far in the background it's startling) made up of donated/liberated/dumpster-dived food. They aer not necesseraily vegetarians. They have no or barter or minimal economy. I have an ex-roommate who is a Rainbow person now. They are definitely way far outside the usual channels. They're quite serious. They tend to be vehicle-people, white, babies'n'dogs. They disdain alcohol, smoke lots of pot. Usually quite trsutworthy. They are dirty. Their methodology for gatherings is unique. They have a "welcome committee" up where vehicles come in, who tell you where things are, where to park, etc. They also scope people out; if they have alcohol -- generally the only thing forbidden besides firearms -- instead of a lecture or whatever, they say "got any alcohol? Let's drink it! Here's some of my pot!" and try to get the owner to consume it on the spot. Usually works. Two years back, in Nevada, the Great Circle gave Welcome Committee duty to the Faerie camp (the gay/lez bunch within the Family) because they did an excellent job of (1) defusing a bunch of asshole bigots with fun instead of anger and (2) "took over" a small stage devolving into bland ordinary faux hippy folksy music and turned it into a big open party. It was a great honor, apparently. Too much hippy for me, though the gatherings are definitly worth checking out. They are always the first week in July. A Council of oldtimers (which apparently anyone can attend and provide input, listened to or not I know not) picks the next years site, many months in advance. A few months before, a seed group goes to the site, and chooses a location distractingly near the real site. This draws fire from the locals and authorities, if any trouble arises, and keeps eyes of the actual site. They usually rent an apt or something an have a stable mail address. Word is spread mouth to mouth and hand to hand. No advertising of any sort is generally done, and as far as I can tell, is frowned upon. They deal with legal issues (more and more every year I guess) and all that. About a month before the actual event, another seed group populates the site and starts to prepare it. In Nevada, it took place partly on private land; the worked out a deal with the owner that they would leave it utterly spotless and would install a water system based upon a water-hammer ("free" water pump power). I can attest to the cleanliness thing. In nevada, I was there and left early, so there were only a few thousand people. It was *spotless*. On a mian trail, someone had dropped about a half-dozen cellophane candy wrappers. It was a Big Deal. It was an issue at the Great Circle, and instead of castigation and finger pointing (they the do all this stuff internally of course, at big gatherings they tend to be fairly cool cuz there's fresh faces and fresh energy) they went on about how important it was they left the place clean. Seems to work. It's a retty cool thing, iff you like hippies, eating oatmeal as your main source of nutrition, walking 6 hours into the woods, carrying water, being asked to eat food just cooked as you walk down a trail, LSD, get really dirty, dig shitters, keep damnfools from shitting in the stream, etc etc. There are some christian hippies. There are more queer ones. I hate tie-dye, and mistrust peace and loveism. I own guns and like computers. Oh well. -- Tom Jennings -- tomj@wps.com -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif.