From owner-rgnet-list Thu Jul  1 08:26:15 1993
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From: gnu@cygnus.com
To: rgnet@psg.com, gnu@cygnus.com
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 93 08:25:42 -0700
Subject: Scenarios to look up tomorrow
Message-Id: <9307011525.AA20117@cygnus.com>
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Status: OR

Alternet:
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separate connections in Portland and Bay Area, paying separately.
T1 interface
sliding scale payments based on offered bandwidth:

	<128K	$2000/mo
	<512K	$3000
	<1024K	$4000
	<T1	$5000

We can sign up anyone as our customers, and Alternet will route at
least 10 network numbers per $1000/mo in charges.

Where are their Bay Area POPs, so we can see what regional carriers
(Metropolitan Fiber, Bay Area Teleport, etc) intersect which POPs?


CERFnet:
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They have no POP in Portland.
CERFnet solidifies their terms & conditions so that we will not be 
disconnected unless we fail to pay our bills, or a judge decides that
our traffic was illegal to carry.  (Alternet wording is fine.)

Where are their Bay Area POPs, so we can see what regional carriers
(Metropolitan Fiber, Bay Area Teleport, etc) intersect which POPs?


Plan A:
We hook both TLG and RAIN up in Bay Area.
Same charges as Alternet.
Randy buys Portland-to-Bay-Area T1 line, costing roughly $2500.
Randy's traffic bumps us from $2000/mo to $3000/mo to CERF, and he pays
	the extra $1000/mo.

Plan B:
CERFnet wants to expand into Portland.  They lay a T1 to Portland.
Separate connections in Portland and Bay Area, as in Alternet case.
Randy will pay minimum of, say, $3000/mo until they get another Portland 
customer, to encourage them to come in.


SprintNet:
=========

SprintNet solidifies their terms & conditions so that we will not be 
disconnected unless we fail to pay our bills, or a judge decides that
our traffic was illegal to carry.  (Alternet wording is fine.)

Same plan as Alternet.

Need to verify their reliability by checking w/their customers.

Do they have a POP in Portland?

Where are their Bay Area POPs, so we can see what regional carriers
(Metropolitan Fiber, Bay Area Teleport, etc) intersect which POPs?


NSF/CIX Mess:
============

Routing headache.  CIX for most traffic.  ANS for NSF-sponsored traffic,
hooked in at Stanford.  April NAP change tears it all down.


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John will talk to Alternet.
Tom will talk to CERFnet
Randy will talk to Sprint.
Tim will verify regional carrier locations versus addrs of vendor POPs.

Everyone post results to rgnet asap, in the vain hope of having some
news by the meeting.

	John

From owner-rgnet-list Thu Jul  1 09:12:35 1993
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From: gnu@cygnus.com
To: rgnet@psg.com
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 93 09:10:50 -0700
Subject: Alternet strawman proposal for customer bandwidth-resale pricing
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Status: OR

I talked with Mike O'Dell, who's busy but having lunch with Rick.
My tack was:  we looked at building our own network where people could
resell the bandwidth, and you can't survive with the ordinary pricing.  
So we want to propose un-ordinary pricing such that Alternet can make
money with this kind of customer, and see if they're willing to be our
provider.  I mentioned that we have a current proposal from CERFnet
that starts at $2000 and counts noses on 56K's, but we wanted one that
was based on offered load.

Mike said that they had proposed similar deals to CERFnet's at times,
but agreed that their costs were based on offered load.  He seemed
favorably inclined, and indeed said that their 10Mbit pricing (where
Met Fiber has it available on the LEast Coast) was going to look like
this kind of step function.  I emailed him our strawman, reproduced
below, and made sure to mention that there were immediately *two*
customers for this pricing model.

He'll "bring it up with Rick at lunch, and see how much he growls".

This seems about as favorable as woe could expect at this point...

	John

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Message-Id: <9307011602.AA21063@cygnus.com>
To: mo@uunet.uu.net, gnu
Subject: Strawman proposal for customer bandwidth-resale pricing
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 93 09:02:40 -0700
From: gnu@cygnus.com

We would want two separate connections: in Portland, and Bay Area,
(RAINnet and The Little Garden), paying separately.  Each would have
T1 interface, paying sliding scale payments based on offered
bandwidth through that interface.  Strawman step function:

	<128K	$2000/mo
	<512K	$3000
	<1024K	$4000
	<T1	$5000
	.....extensible into 10Mbit range once offered.....

We could sign up anyone as our customers.  Alternet would advertise
routes for at least 10 network numbers per $1000/mo in charges.

	John

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