From gnu@cygnus.com Mon Mar 15 13:39:49 1993 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA01039; Mon, 15 Mar 93 13:39:43 -0800 Received: from cygnus.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA07545; Mon, 15 Mar 93 16:40:37 -0500 Received: from localhost.cygnus.com by cygnus.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22135; Mon, 15 Mar 93 13:40:55 PST Message-Id: <9303152140.AA22135@cygnus.com> To: rick@uunet.uu.net, gnu@cygnus.com Cc: tomj@fido.wps.com Subject: Alternet service to TLG Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 13:40:55 -0800 From: gnu@cygnus.com Status: OR Rick, We've both been busy. I still want to resolve this. In the last two weeks we have identified two competing IP networks to which we could connect without "non competition" or "no forwarding other peoples' traffic" restrictions (either on paper or "understood"). One of them, so far, has agreed to equally good protection against having our traffic censored (only after a judge rules against it). We are meeting next week with one of them. Our preference would be to continue to work with you. It's easier than switching, you give good service, and our interests align in other areas. But we have three or four potential subscribers waiting, pending resolution of our current disagreement (one is a 256K microwave link, one an extension to Santa Cruz, one a packet radio link that could be used by a variety of current and future TLG members, and the Wolfgang connection). I think your opposition to our signing up sites that "might consider buying direct Alternet service" is based on a misunderstanding. The misunderstanding is that by objecting to us competing with you, we will cease to compete with you. On the contrary, if you give us enough trouble or delay (and the amount you have given us is about two weeks from enough), we will stop feeding you money, feed it to another service provider, and will continue to compete with you. It's not that we particularly *desire* to compete with you. We're in a different market (little guys, lower reliability, more hassle, etc). In fact, I don't think Wolfgang is in your market, but you objected to us signing him up. And you worried a lot of the little guys on TLG by claiming that people on TLG can't give out free accounts to their friends, or charge people small amounts for access to their machine. These guys are on 14.4 lines behind a 56k line; they aren't going to make any discernable difference in your traffic stats, but you pissed them off anyway. If the only way that we can be your customer is to have a prickly relationship, then the best resolution is probably for us to change providers. If you are interested in resolving this issue, then call me (+1 415 903 1418) or send email. If not, all you have to do is delay; we will select another provider and let you know. John From rick@uunet.uu.net Mon Mar 15 14:12:50 1993 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA01049; Mon, 15 Mar 93 14:12:47 -0800 Received: by rodan.UU.NET (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA13051; Mon, 15 Mar 93 17:13:40 -0500 From: rick@uunet.uu.net (Rick Adams) Message-Id: <9303152213.AA13051@rodan.UU.NET> Subject: Re: Alternet service to TLG To: gnu@cygnus.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 17:13:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: rick@uunet.UU.NET, tomj@fido.wps.com In-Reply-To: <9303152140.AA22135@cygnus.com> from "gnu@cygnus.com" at Mar 15, 93 01:40:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 75 Status: OR Please select another provider. I wish you luck with your new endevor.