From wolfgang@wsrcc.com Thu Feb 25 22:36:14 1993 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA00148; Thu, 25 Feb 93 22:36:05 -0800 Received: from cygnus.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA28683; Fri, 26 Feb 93 01:34:34 -0500 Received: from wsrcc.com ([140.174.85.66]) by cygnus.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13593; Thu, 25 Feb 93 22:34:27 PST Received: by wsrcc.com id AA23887 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for private-garden@cygnus.com); Thu, 25 Feb 1993 22:34:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 22:34:23 -0800 From: Wolfgang Rupprecht Message-Id: <199302260634.AA23887@wsrcc.com> To: private-garden@cygnus.com Subject: CIX membership for TLG Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA Status: OR An amusing idea to possibly play with is joining CIX as an equal member. (CIX is what PSI/UUNET et. al all belong to for the purpose of sharing their leased lines.) It cost $10k/year and $5k one time sign up. Appended is the membership agreement (source: ftp-able from cix.org). -wolfgang --- Wolfgang Rupprecht wolfgang@wsrcc.com (or) decwrl!wsrcc!wolfgang IP: [140.174.88.1] 39469 Gallaudet Drive, Fremont, CA 94538-4511 FCC-STOP (There is also information available in ftp archives at CIX.org.) Commercial Internet Exchange Information November 1992 Membership in the Commercial Internet Exchange is open to organizations which offer TCP/IP or OSI public data internetworking services to the general public in multiple geographical locations. We suggest organizations or persons seeking individual Internet connections contact CIX members directly for further information. For more information about the CIX itself, please send an explanatory message to info@cix.org. Membership Requirements: Any service provider can join the CIX Association and have an equal voice in developing the standards which will prove beneficial for our industry. At this time, the Association has the following membership requirements: 1. Members agree not to restrict the use of their network based on traffic type, subject only to applicable laws. This provision removes commercial constraints imposed by the use of government funding for networking. 2. Members agree not to charge other CIX members for CIX-related matters, including including charges based on traffic volume, commonly called "settlement". The CIX Association may modify this "no settlement" policy (and other policies) as the CIX membership requests. 3. All members must be legally organized to provide TCP/IP or OSI public data internetworking services to the public in multiple geographic areas. 4. Members must provide the necessary circuit and equipment to connect to one of the CIX interchange points, currently CIX-West in Santa Clara, CA, USA. 5. Members must sign the CIX Agreement, pay the annual membership fee, currently $10,000, and participate in CIX Association technical and administrative committees. For members connecting directly to CIX-West, there is a one-time start-up fee of $5,000. (Some members may choose not to connect directly but instead to use another CIX member as a transit network to CIX-West. Such arrangements should be worked out bi-laterally.) 6. Members agree that they neither incur nor present any liability to other CIX members, or the CIX Association, by submitting data traffic to or accepting data traffic from the CIX, except as required by law. Formal agreements are available for PDI service providers meeting the above criteria to review. CIX Members within the U.S.: AlterNet: UUNET Technologies, Inc. 3110 Fairview Park Drive, Suite 570 Falls Church, VA 22042 alternet-info@uunet.uu.net Voice) +1 800 4UUNET3 Voice) +1 703 204 8000 Fax) +1 703 204 8001 BARRnet: Bay Area Regional Research Network Pine Hall Rm. 115 Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-41224 Voice) +1 415 725 1790 Service Area: Northern California CERFnet: CERFnet P.O. Box 85608 San Diego, CA 92186-9784 help@cerf.net Voice) +1 800 876 CERF Voice) +1 619 534 5087 Fax) +1 619 534 5167 JVNCnet: JVNCnet - Global Enterprise Services, Inc. Princeton, NJ info@jvnc.net Voice)+1 800 35 TIGER Voice)+1 609 258 2400 NEARnet: NEARnet 10 Moulton Street MS 6/3b Cambridge MA 02138 nearnet-join@nic.near.net Voice) +1 617 873 8730 Fax) +1 617 873 5620 Service Area: Northeastern US (ME NH VT CT RI MA) PSInet: Performance Systems International, Inc. 11800 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 1100 Reston, VA 22091 info@psi.com Voice) +1 800 82PSI82 Voice) +1 703 620 6651 Fax) +1 703 620 4586 Sprint: Bob Doyle, SprintLink Product Manager Sprint Communications Company 13221 Woodland Park Road Herndon, VA 22071 bdoyle@icm1.icp.net Voice) +1-703 904 2167 Fax) +1 703 904 2680 THEnet: ? bard@utexas.edu WorldNet: Metropolitan Networks Internetworks, Inc. PO BOX 5127 Aloha, OR 97006-0127 nabil@qiclab.scn.rain.com Voice) +1 503 642 7074 Service Area: OR WA (Portland, OR operational 12/1/92) CIX members outside the U.S.: Pipex: Keith Mitchell - CIX contact PIPEX 216 The Science Park Cambridge CB4 4WA General e-mail: pipex@unipalm.co.uk Voice: +44 223 424616 Fax: +44 223 426868 Service area: mainland UK EUnet: Glenn Kowack - CIX contact EUnet c/o NIKHEF Postbus 41882 1009 DB Amsterdam The Netherlands Tel: +31 20 592-5109 (NOTE: new tel # !!) Fax: +31 20 592-5155 Fax problems: +31 20 592-9444 General information requests: Cormac Callanan Public-Relations@eu.net +353 1 740 508 For technical information and coordination: postmaster@eu.net The Nordic Carriers: Seppo Noppari - CIX contact Telecom Finland P.O. BOX 228 33101 TAMPERE Finland General e-mail: nc-cixmembers@tele.fi Voice: +358 400 625 470 Fax: +358 31 243 2211 Service areas (network/area): DataNet/Finland, TIPnet/Sweden - end - From tomj Sun Mar 28 23:56:51 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA00342; Sun, 28 Mar 93 23:56:34 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9303290756.AA00342@fido.wps.com> Subject: CIX... To: mkapor@eff.org Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 23:56:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: tomj (Tom Jennings) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 553 Status: O Hi Mitch! We (The LIttle Garden, our internet coop) are in need of a new IP carrier. CIX is a definite option for us now. Just wondering where's the best place/person to start in looknig at joining CIX and/or obtaining long-distance network carrier service? The only informatin I have is from a WHOIS CIX-DOM, which lists Martin Schoffstall as admin. contact. Tim Pozar tells me you've talked to him and/or John Gilmore about TLG and CIZ at some time in the past... -- Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA From mkapor@eff.org Mon Mar 29 03:19:48 1993 Received: from eff.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA00440; Mon, 29 Mar 93 03:19:43 -0800 Received: from [192.88.144.201] (mkatra.eff.org) by eff.org with SMTP id AA29570 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/pen-ident for ); Mon, 29 Mar 1993 06:19:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199303291119.AA29570@eff.org> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 06:19:43 -0800 To: tomj@fido.wps.com (Tom Jennings) From: Mitchell Kapor Subject: Re: CIX... Cc: washburn@cix.org Status: OR >Hi Mitch! > >We (The LIttle Garden, our internet coop) are in need of a new IP >carrier. CIX is a definite option for us now. > >Just wondering where's the best place/person to start in looknig at >joining CIX and/or obtaining long-distance network carrier service? >The only informatin I have is from a WHOIS CIX-DOM, which lists Martin >Schoffstall as admin. contact. > >Tim Pozar tells me you've talked to him and/or John Gilmore about TLG >and CIZ at some time in the past... > >-- > Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA I suggest you contact Bill Washburn, who is the Exec. Dir., of the CIX. He can be reached atr washburn@cix.org. After speaking with Tim and John, I'd definitely say it was an option worth pursuing. If Little Garden is open to all, then there's no reason I can see that it's organizational form as a co=operative would be a barrier to joining. To date, I believe all CIX members all have at least one other IP inter-connection which reaches to the NSFNET. There are a number of education-only IP sites which are not reachable via the CIX. I imagine this might be an issue. Let me know if I can be of any more help. From tomj Mon Mar 29 11:23:32 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA00535; Mon, 29 Mar 93 11:23:23 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9303291923.AA00535@fido.wps.com> Subject: Re: CIX... To: mkapor@eff.org (Mitchell Kapor) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 11:23:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199303291119.AA29570@eff.org> from "Mitchell Kapor" at Mar 29, 93 06:19:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 577 Status: OR > If Little Garden is open to all, then there's no reason I can see that it's > organizational form as a co=operative would be a barrier to joining. Yes it is open to all, and in fact this is the reason we're looking for a new supplier -- our current IP carrier calls what we're doing "re-selling", ie. competition. We've talked to regional here with more or less the same atitude. Hence we're persuing other approaches to the problem... Thanks for the lead, I'll email Bill Washburn today. -- Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA From tomj Mon Mar 29 13:20:24 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA00646; Mon, 29 Mar 93 13:20:10 -0800 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9303292120.AA00646@fido.wps.com> Subject: IP network services... To: washburn@cix.org Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 13:20:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: tomj (Tom Jennings) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 993 Status: O Hi Bill -- Mitch Kapor suggested that I contact you. Could you please send me information on CIX membership and network services, specifically on long-distance carrier services for Internet protocol? We're growing and now need to change our IP carrier and rethink things. FYI, I am the manager for The Little Garden, an internet cooperative in the Bay Area, with POPs in San Francisco, Palo Alto and Mtn. View. We have sites in Santa Cruz, Fremont and other areas we will be expanding into hopefully shortly. We have approx. 22 sites with 50 - 75 hosts online, arranged into 20 or so domains. Our members are medium and tiny businesses, and various small social/support groups. We do our own maintenance, name-service, buy and build our routers, etc. We are also researching new communications technologies, such as low-cost microwave, PC-hardware based routers, etc. Tom Jennings tomj@fido.wps.com -- Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA From washburn@cix.org Tue Mar 30 10:21:27 1993 Received: from cix.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA01076; Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:21:15 -0800 Received: from [192.94.52.20] by cix.org with SMTP id AA03646 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 30 Mar 1993 13:20:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 13:20:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199303301820.AA03646@cix.org> To: tomj@fido.wps.com (Tom Jennings) From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn, Executive Director) Subject: Re: IP network services... X-Attachments: :Macintosh HD:510:CIX info.sheet: Status: OR Hi Tom-- Nice to hear from you. I would love to hear more about your operation and what your vision for the next couple of years might be. I lived in Palo Alto for nearly 15 years (did graduate studies and then worked at Stanford as well as the U of Santa Clara) and so I'm pretty familiar with the Bay Area. Indeed, I think of it as home in many respects. I've attached a little "blurb" or introduction and general overview of CIX that we are putting the finishing touches on right now. I could certainly share plenty of information with you and would like to get well acquainted. Please let me know more about your operation and the niches you fill or want to fill. One thing that would be very interesting for me to know is what you see as the larger context for IP services in the Bay Area/Northern California vicinity. BARRnet, NetCom, PSI, ANS CO+RE, etc. are doing some things there, I believe but I would imagine there is much more that might be done. Thanks, Bill W. >Hi Bill -- > >Mitch Kapor suggested that I contact you. Could you please send me >information on CIX membership and network services, specifically on >long-distance carrier services for Internet protocol? We're growing and >now need to change our IP carrier and rethink things. > >FYI, I am the manager for The Little Garden, an internet cooperative in the >Bay Area, with POPs in San Francisco, Palo Alto and Mtn. View. We have >sites in Santa Cruz, Fremont and other areas we will be expanding into >hopefully shortly. > >We have approx. 22 sites with 50 - 75 hosts online, arranged into 20 or >so domains. Our members are medium and tiny businesses, and various >small social/support groups. We do our own maintenance, name-service, >buy and build our routers, etc. We are also researching new >communications technologies, such as low-cost microwave, PC-hardware >based routers, etc. > > > Tom Jennings > tomj@fido.wps.com > >-- > Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA Bill Washburn Executive Director, Commercial Internet eXchange (303)482-2150 From: brenda@uunet.uu.net (Brenda L. Dunham) Subject: ASCII CIX info To: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 09:35:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: donnalyn@uunet.UU.NET (Donnalyn Frey) Organization: UUNET Communications, Falls Church, VA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 6298 Commercial Internet eXchange Association Is your organization a Public Data Internetwork service provider? Does your network want to offer unrestricted access to other networks worldwide? Are your network and its users concerned with the development and future direction of the Internet? If the answer to any of these questions is YES, you should know about the Commercial Internet eXchange (CIX). Why is Global Networking Important? Telephones and telecommunications have transformed the world of business. The commercialization of the Global Internet promises to produce an even more profound transformation of business and economic forces, in the national and international marketplace. The Global Internet data communications industry offers some of the critical tools with which corporations, entrepreneurs, research and development facilities, and start-up firms can acquire information resources and empirical expertise-immediately! This advantage is available regardless of an organization's size, geographical location, or market coverage. What is a Commercial Internet Provider? Commercial Internet providers' computer networking services enable organizations of every size to access and use computers located virtually anywhere on the globe. Whether by dial-up or dedicated lines, organizations can gain immediate use of electronic mail, news and information services, and Internet access. Commercial Internet providers offer the advantage of handling all types of traffic (as long as it does not violate applicable laws) - without requiring their users to route commercial traffic differently from non-commercial traffic (research and education). While one division of a company may have access to the Internet, other divisions of the company may not and must route their traffic to another network. When using CIX member networks, all company traffic goes over the same network without fear of violating NSFNET or Internet acceptable use policies. Network managers need maintain only one external network, which connects to a CIX member. What is the CIX Association? The Commercial Internet eXchange Association is a non-profit, 501(c)6, trade association of Public Data Internetwork service providers promoting and encouraging development of the public data communications internetworking services industry in both national and international markets. What is the Role of the CIX? The CIX provides a neutral forum to exchange ideas, information, and experimental projects among suppliers of internetworking services. The CIX broadens the base of national and international cooperation and coordination among member networks. Together, the membership may develop consensus positions on legislative and policy issues of mutual interest. CIX enhances the growth and potential of this industry by encouraging technical research and development for the mutual benefit of suppliers and customers of data communications internetworking services. The CIX assists its member networks in the establishment of, and adherence to, operational, technical, and administrative policies and standards necessary to ensure fair, open, and competitive operations and communication among member networks. CIX policies are formulated by a member-elected board of directors. Who May Join the CIX? Membership in the Commercial Internet eXchange is open to organizations which offer TCP/IP or OSI public data internetworking services to the general public in multiple geographic regions. Organizations or individuals seeking Internet connections are urged to contact CIX members directly for further information. Qualified public data Internet service providers interested in exchanging commercial traffic with other providers on a peer basis are most welcome and encouraged to become CIX Association members. What Networks are Members of CIX? o AlterNet o BARRNet o CERFnet o EUnet o NEARnet o NORDFrame o NorthWestNet o PIPEX o PSINet o Sprintlink o World dot Net Additional networks are joining each month. What Benefits Does the CIX Provide to Member Networks? o CIX provides all member networks with a neutral forum to develop consensus positions on legislative and policy issues. o Member networks have a fundamental agreement to interconnect with all other CIX members. There is no restriction on the type of traffic that may be routed between member networks. The value of this basic agreement to exchange all legitimate traffic will continue to increase as the number of CIX member networks grow. o There are no "settlements" nor any traffic-based charges between CIX member networks. Each member network connects to all other member networks directly or indirectly through the CIX router - at no additional cost to member networks. o CIX members may designate a representative to the CIX technical committee and the policy committee. Member SIGs are being planned to study relevant issues, such as proposing model legislation and policies, and coordinating closely with national and international networking organizations, government agencies, and relevant standards bodies. o Periodic membership meetings will be held on topics important to CIX members and pertinent to the CIX Association's mission. o The CIX board of directors is elected by all CIX members. Board members serve fixed terms based on a staggered rotation. o All CIX member networks pay the same dues. Benefit levels are the same for all members. o The Commercial Internet eXchange Association serves as a clearinghouse of information and resources for the CIX membership. Why is the CIX Important to Network Users? Users of CIX member networks gain access to all CIX member networks, greatly increasing the correspondents, files, databases, and information services available to them. Users gain a global reach in networking, increasing the value of their network connection. How do I contact the CIX? CIX Association 3110 Fairview Park Drive, Suite 590 Falls Church, VA 22042 USA Voice: +1 303 482 2150 Fax: +1 303 482 2884 Email: info@cix.org Bill Washburn, Executive Director Email: washburn@cix.org From washburn@cix.org Tue Mar 30 10:21:27 1993 Received: from cix.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA01076; Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:21:15 -0800 Received: from [192.94.52.20] by cix.org with SMTP id AA03646 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 30 Mar 1993 13:20:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 13:20:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199303301820.AA03646@cix.org> To: tomj@fido.wps.com (Tom Jennings) From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn, Executive Director) Subject: Re: IP network services... X-Attachments: :Macintosh HD:510:CIX info.sheet: Status: OR Hi Tom-- Nice to hear from you. I would love to hear more about your operation and what your vision for the next couple of years might be. I lived in Palo Alto for nearly 15 years (did graduate studies and then worked at Stanford as well as the U of Santa Clara) and so I'm pretty familiar with the Bay Area. Indeed, I think of it as home in many respects. I've attached a little "blurb" or introduction and general overview of CIX that we are putting the finishing touches on right now. I could certainly share plenty of information with you and would like to get well acquainted. Please let me know more about your operation and the niches you fill or want to fill. One thing that would be very interesting for me to know is what you see as the larger context for IP services in the Bay Area/Northern California vicinity. BARRnet, NetCom, PSI, ANS CO+RE, etc. are doing some things there, I believe but I would imagine there is much more that might be done. Thanks, Bill W. >Hi Bill -- > >Mitch Kapor suggested that I contact you. Could you please send me >information on CIX membership and network services, specifically on >long-distance carrier services for Internet protocol? We're growing and >now need to change our IP carrier and rethink things. > >FYI, I am the manager for The Little Garden, an internet cooperative in the >Bay Area, with POPs in San Francisco, Palo Alto and Mtn. View. We have >sites in Santa Cruz, Fremont and other areas we will be expanding into >hopefully shortly. > >We have approx. 22 sites with 50 - 75 hosts online, arranged into 20 or >so domains. Our members are medium and tiny businesses, and various >small social/support groups. We do our own maintenance, name-service, >buy and build our routers, etc. We are also researching new >communications technologies, such as low-cost microwave, PC-hardware >based routers, etc. > > > Tom Jennings > tomj@fido.wps.com > >-- > Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA Bill Washburn Executive Director, Commercial Internet eXchange (303)482-2150 From: brenda@uunet.uu.net (Brenda L. Dunham) Subject: ASCII CIX info To: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 09:35:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: donnalyn@uunet.UU.NET (Donnalyn Frey) Organization: UUNET Communications, Falls Church, VA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 6298 Commercial Internet eXchange Association Is your organization a Public Data Internetwork service provider? Does your network want to offer unrestricted access to other networks worldwide? Are your network and its users concerned with the development and future direction of the Internet? If the answer to any of these questions is YES, you should know about the Commercial Internet eXchange (CIX). Why is Global Networking Important? Telephones and telecommunications have transformed the world of business. The commercialization of the Global Internet promises to produce an even more profound transformation of business and economic forces, in the national and international marketplace. The Global Internet data communications industry offers some of the critical tools with which corporations, entrepreneurs, research and development facilities, and start-up firms can acquire information resources and empirical expertise-immediately! This advantage is available regardless of an organization's size, geographical location, or market coverage. What is a Commercial Internet Provider? Commercial Internet providers' computer networking services enable organizations of every size to access and use computers located virtually anywhere on the globe. Whether by dial-up or dedicated lines, organizations can gain immediate use of electronic mail, news and information services, and Internet access. Commercial Internet providers offer the advantage of handling all types of traffic (as long as it does not violate applicable laws) - without requiring their users to route commercial traffic differently from non-commercial traffic (research and education). While one division of a company may have access to the Internet, other divisions of the company may not and must route their traffic to another network. When using CIX member networks, all company traffic goes over the same network without fear of violating NSFNET or Internet acceptable use policies. Network managers need maintain only one external network, which connects to a CIX member. What is the CIX Association? The Commercial Internet eXchange Association is a non-profit, 501(c)6, trade association of Public Data Internetwork service providers promoting and encouraging development of the public data communications internetworking services industry in both national and international markets. What is the Role of the CIX? The CIX provides a neutral forum to exchange ideas, information, and experimental projects among suppliers of internetworking services. The CIX broadens the base of national and international cooperation and coordination among member networks. Together, the membership may develop consensus positions on legislative and policy issues of mutual interest. CIX enhances the growth and potential of this industry by encouraging technical research and development for the mutual benefit of suppliers and customers of data communications internetworking services. The CIX assists its member networks in the establishment of, and adherence to, operational, technical, and administrative policies and standards necessary to ensure fair, open, and competitive operations and communication among member networks. CIX policies are formulated by a member-elected board of directors. Who May Join the CIX? Membership in the Commercial Internet eXchange is open to organizations which offer TCP/IP or OSI public data internetworking services to the general public in multiple geographic regions. Organizations or individuals seeking Internet connections are urged to contact CIX members directly for further information. Qualified public data Internet service providers interested in exchanging commercial traffic with other providers on a peer basis are most welcome and encouraged to become CIX Association members. What Networks are Members of CIX? o AlterNet o BARRNet o CERFnet o EUnet o NEARnet o NORDFrame o NorthWestNet o PIPEX o PSINet o Sprintlink o World dot Net Additional networks are joining each month. What Benefits Does the CIX Provide to Member Networks? o CIX provides all member networks with a neutral forum to develop consensus positions on legislative and policy issues. o Member networks have a fundamental agreement to interconnect with all other CIX members. There is no restriction on the type of traffic that may be routed between member networks. The value of this basic agreement to exchange all legitimate traffic will continue to increase as the number of CIX member networks grow. o There are no "settlements" nor any traffic-based charges between CIX member networks. Each member network connects to all other member networks directly or indirectly through the CIX router - at no additional cost to member networks. o CIX members may designate a representative to the CIX technical committee and the policy committee. Member SIGs are being planned to study relevant issues, such as proposing model legislation and policies, and coordinating closely with national and international networking organizations, government agencies, and relevant standards bodies. o Periodic membership meetings will be held on topics important to CIX members and pertinent to the CIX Association's mission. o The CIX board of directors is elected by all CIX members. Board members serve fixed terms based on a staggered rotation. o All CIX member networks pay the same dues. Benefit levels are the same for all members. o The Commercial Internet eXchange Association serves as a clearinghouse of information and resources for the CIX membership. Why is the CIX Important to Network Users? Users of CIX member networks gain access to all CIX member networks, greatly increasing the correspondents, files, databases, and information services available to them. Users gain a global reach in networking, increasing the value of their network connection. How do I contact the CIX? CIX Association 3110 Fairview Park Drive, Suite 590 Falls Church, VA 22042 USA Voice: +1 303 482 2150 Fax: +1 303 482 2884 Email: info@cix.org Bill Washburn, Executive Director Email: washburn@cix.org From tomj Thu Apr 15 13:26:31 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA01498; Thu, 15 Apr 93 13:26:14 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9304152026.AA01498@fido.wps.com> Subject: IP services, etc To: washburn@cix.org Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 13:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tomj (Tom Jennings) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1137 Status: O Bill -- If we were to go with CIX at this point, what would we need to do to get started? What kind of formal organization is required for CIX membership -- do we need to incorporate; is a more formal cooperative sufficient; etc. What are the exact startup costs, and can we lower them by supplying part or all of our own hardware. What other, if any, non-technical issues are there. Minimum assets, etc that sort of thing, minimum staffing, whatever. What other technical issues or requirements do you have, UPS required on the main router, etc. If paper needs to be mailed, my postal address is below. I'll be down in the Santa Clara area this afternoon (I realize this is zero notice), I'd be willing to drop in and pick up paperwork and talk to someone there if that's appropriate (I assume CIX has some human presence there somewhere :-) If this is going to go, we need to move quickly, as it'll probably take a few months to get together. Thanks for your help! Tom Jennings 55 Rondel Place San Francisco CA 94103 415-552-8156 -- Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA From washburn@cix.org Fri Apr 16 14:27:15 1993 Received: from Cix.ORG by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA02266; Fri, 16 Apr 93 14:27:04 -0700 Received: from [192.94.52.20] by Cix.ORG (5.67/1.37) id AA01981; Fri, 16 Apr 93 17:30:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 17:30:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9304162130.AA01981@Cix.ORG> To: tomj@fido.wps.com (Tom Jennings) From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn, Executive Director) Subject: Re: IP services, etc Status: OR Tom-- Good to hear from you. I am really busy and out of town a good deal so it wasn't possible to get back to you yesterday. By the way, there isn't a "person" in Santa Clara with CIX. We contract with Wil-Tel for some space and technical support at a minimal level and that basically covers it. Here are some things you should realize. CIX is not an internet service provider and no traffic is transmitted by CIX, period. CIX-West is a router in Santa Clara that exchanges packets of all CIX member networks. A route server is under development for CIX members on the East Coast. Basically, you will either need a direct line to the CIX-West router to exchange packets with other CIX members or you will need to negotiate an arrangement with a "third party" service provider to haul you traffic to Santa Clara. If you were to arrange with one of the current CIX members, e.g., CERFNet or Sprint, you would also be in a position to arrange for access to the NSFNet. CIX has no restrictions on traffic exchanged beyond the obvious limits of adhering to the general laws of the land. CIX is AUP free. You are free to hook up any hosts, nets, users you wish and announce them to CIX. CIX membership explicity requires that all other CIX members accept you network announcements and use them in their forwarding tables. CIX members, however, are not allowed to point a default route toward the CIX router. All CIX destined packets must include source routing to its destination. Traffic intended for NEARnet would be forwarded because NEARnet is a CIX member. Traffic to WestNet, on the other hand, could not be routed via CIX. To get started you have to: 1. Figure out your NSFNet access 2. Get a direct/indirect connection to CIX-West 3. Sign the CIX membership agreement 4. Pay at least half of the annual memberhsip dues up front (the other half due in six months) 5. (If you directly connect to CIX-West,) pay $5,000 router connection charge which covers equipment and operation charges on the CIX end. Actually, my impression is that you need to hook up for some amount of time with a commercial internet service provider who can give you NSFNet connectivity and some commercial connectivity as well. Or am I missing something here? Bill W. >Bill -- > >If we were to go with CIX at this point, what would we need to do to get >started? > >What kind of formal organization is required for CIX membership -- do we >need to incorporate; is a more formal cooperative sufficient; etc. > >What are the exact startup costs, and can we lower them by >supplying part or all of our own hardware. > >What other, if any, non-technical issues are there. Minimum assets, etc >that sort of thing, minimum staffing, whatever. > >What other technical issues or requirements do you have, UPS required on >the main router, etc. > >If paper needs to be mailed, my postal address is below. I'll be down in >the Santa Clara area this afternoon (I realize this is zero notice), I'd >be willing to drop in and pick up paperwork and talk to someone there if >that's appropriate (I assume CIX has some human presence there somewhere >:-) > >If this is going to go, we need to move quickly, as it'll probably take >a few months to get together. > >Thanks for your help! > > Tom Jennings > 55 Rondel Place > San Francisco CA 94103 > 415-552-8156 > >-- > Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA Bill Washburn Executive Director--Commercial Internet eXchange (CIX) Assoc. (303)482-2150 From tomj Mon Apr 19 11:08:31 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA01971; Mon, 19 Apr 93 11:08:04 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9304191808.AA01971@fido.wps.com> Subject: Re: IP services, etc To: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn Executive Director) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 11:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tomj (Tom Jennings) In-Reply-To: <9304162130.AA01981@Cix.ORG> from "Bill Washburn, Executive Director" at Apr 16, 93 05:30:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 908 Status: OR Thanks for the info. Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought CIX was a "service provider"; I realize how the connection is made between members. It's as we expected. We're working on choosing an NSFnet connection provider. We are planning on connecting directly to CIX-West. I need to know the exact address of the router so that I can contact Pacbell/etc re: leased lines. Also, regarding routers and protocols used on "our" end: probably you're using Ciscos, but what protocols are used that the router must comply with? (Rumor has it that Livingston is coming out "soon" with a full T1 router, etc). If you could also mail us whatever package of agreements etc we'll need to sign we can start looking it over, if it's not too early for that. Thanks!! Tom Jennings 55 Rondel Place San Francisco CA 94103 -- Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA From tomj Tue Apr 20 17:51:40 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA03769; Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:49:28 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) Message-Id: <9304210049.AA03769@fido.wps.com> Subject: Re: IP services, etc (fwd) To: rgnet Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 17:49:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 8751 Status: OR Forwarded message: From washburn@cix.org Tue Apr 20 17:28:35 1993 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 20:34:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9304210034.AA05100@Cix.ORG> To: tomj@fido.wps.com (Tom Jennings) From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn - Executive Director) Subject: Re: IP services, etc X-Attachments: :Macintosh HD:510:cix membership agreement copy: Tom-- Glad to hear from you. I'll forward the CIX-West address to you later today. I'll send you a paper copy of the CIX Membership Agreement. Attached is the agreement in case you've not read it carefully, yet. Bill >Thanks for the info. Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought CIX >was a "service provider"; I realize how the connection is made between >members. It's as we expected. > >We're working on choosing an NSFnet connection provider. > >We are planning on connecting directly to CIX-West. I need to know the >exact address of the router so that I can contact Pacbell/etc re: leased >lines. > >Also, regarding routers and protocols used on "our" end: probably you're >using Ciscos, but what protocols are used that the router must comply >with? (Rumor has it that Livingston is coming out "soon" with a full T1 >router, etc). > >If you could also mail us whatever package of agreements etc we'll need >to sign we can start looking it over, if it's not too early for that. > >Thanks!! > > Tom Jennings > 55 Rondel Place > San Francisco CA 94103 > >-- > Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA Bill Washburn Executive Director--Commercial Internet eXchange (CIX) Assoc. (303)482-2150 COMMERCIAL INTERNET EXCHANGE MEMBER AGREEMENT This Agreement is made by and between the COMMERCIAL INTERNET EXCHANGE ASSOCIATION, a trade association incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware and having its principal place of business at 3110 Fairview Park Drive, Suite 590, Falls Church, Virginia 22042 ("CIX") and ("Member"), having its principal place of business at . R E C I T A L S WHEREAS, the purpose of the Association is to further the development of the open system protocol network service providers ("OSPNSP's") industry. The Association will assist the industry in the development of standards and interconnection protocols that will provide a basis for greater interconnection to the public network for the industry as a whole. It will provide educational opportunities to further Member technical and policy understanding of the industry. The Association will also develop public policies and public positions in the best interest of the industry. This Association will seek legislative consideration of issues of benefit to the Members and the industry. WHEREAS, CIX in furtherance of creating greater interconnectivity throughout the industry has established operational, technical and administrative mechanisms to ensure fair and open communications among OSPNSP's providing a peer relationship for routing packets over their networks; and WHEREAS, the Member wishes to participate in CIX. A G R E E M E N T CIX AGREES AS FOLLOWS: 1. To develop industry-wide forums for the consideration and development of industry related policy issues. 2. To discuss and consider issues that will improve the efficiency and interconnectivity of the Members use of public networks. 3. To support legislative goals beneficial to its Members and the industry. 4. To promote the greater connectivity of public networks. 5. To provide operational, technical and administrative mechanisms to ensure fair and open communications among OSPNSP's. THE MEMBER AGREES AS FOLLOWS: 6. Member will provide a circuit, at its own expense, from a location of its choice to a CIX router selected by mutual agreement, or other topologies and implementations specified by the Board of Directors. 7. Member will provide circuit termination and packet switching equipment at its end of the circuit, at its own expense, terminating with a PPP interface, which interface may be changed from time to time by mutual agreement. 8. Member may choose to connect at more than one CIX location. 9. Members shall cooperate and coordinate their activities to facilitate the broadest practical opportunity for interconnectivity among the direct customers of each Member and participating OSPNSP's. A Member shall not in a discriminatory manner (as between other Members) or without reasonable justification decline to offer CIX interconnectivity to its direct customers. Provided, however, that notwithstanding any of the foregoing, any Member shall be able to offer virtual private networks, to administer traffic and/or access restrictions for particular networks where requested or if required to provide special services, to offer other special services subject to specified limitations, to enter into separate interconnectivity agreements with other Members, to allow interconnectivity between indirect customers through CIX or other networks, and otherwise to comply with requests from customers or users for restrictions or limitations on the receipt, routing or delivery of messages. 10. Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to prohibit or restrain the entry by any Member into any separate contract or agreement with any other Member or third party on any terms. 11. A Member will, at its own expense and on a best efforts basis, provide Network Operations Center ("NOC") support in cooperation with other Members so as to maintain the smooth operation of the internetwork services. 12. Members may participate in the CIX Technical Committee. 13. Member agrees to pay an annual administrative fee which will be established by the Board of Directors. The 1992 fee has been set at $10,000 per Member. No fees will be charged between or among the CIX Members to pay for digitized information traffic exchanged through CIX. 14. No Member shall be liable other than as stated in paragraph 15 herein to any other Member or to CIX for any loss, damage, liability, claim or expense rising out of or in relation to this Agreement, however caused, whether grounded in contract, tort (including negligence) or strict liability. 15. Each Member and the Association shall indemnify and hold the nonliable Members harmless from and against any loss, damage, liability, claim or expense which results from a claim or claims asserted by unrelated third parties concerning an action or omission of such Member or the Association respectively. 16. Member is responsible for assessing its own need for property, casualty, and liability insurance and each shall obtain such insurance as each sees fit. Member shall bear the risk of loss to its own equipment and agrees to not make any claims against the others for any property loss. 17. Member agrees to abide as a Member with the Certificate of Incorporation and the By-laws / . 18. This Agreement shall be governed under the laws of the State of Delaware. Other than those contained explicitly in this Agreement, no representations are made by or among the Members. No agency status is created among the Members or the Association. 19. No confidential or proprietary information is protected or implied by this Agreement, and Members are not responsible to one another for any confidential information which may be inadvertently transmitted over the networks. 20. The duration of this Agreement is for two years and may be extended by mutual consent. A Member may terminate its responsibilities under this Agreement by giving all parties 180 days written notice, or sooner by mutual consent of all Members; provided, however, that no fee is refundable. 21. Member may assign its rights and responsibilities to another organization, in the event of merger, sale or transfer of its ownership to such organization provided that the assignee is a firm duly organized and licensed to conduct business and otherwise meets the conditions of membership established by the Board of Directors. 22. This Agreement may be extended to other parties which are duly organized and licensed to conduct business, and which subscribe to the CIX Membership Agreement. 23. The undersigned hereby certifies that he or she is legally authorized to enter into this Agreement on behalf of the Member organization, and that the execution of this Agreement will not conflict with or result in a breach of any other agreement to which such Member is a party. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have entered into this Agreement as of the date indicated below: MEMBER COMMERCIAL INTERNET EXCHANGE ASSOCIATION Name: Name: Title: Title: Date: Date: For: For: -- Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA From washburn@cix.org Tue Apr 20 17:28:35 1993 Received: from Cix.ORG by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA03482; Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:28:19 -0700 Received: from [192.94.52.20] by Cix.ORG (5.67/1.37) id AA05100; Tue, 20 Apr 93 20:34:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 20:34:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9304210034.AA05100@Cix.ORG> To: tomj@fido.wps.com (Tom Jennings) From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn - Executive Director) Subject: Re: IP services, etc X-Attachments: :Macintosh HD:510:cix membership agreement copy: Status: OR Tom-- Glad to hear from you. I'll forward the CIX-West address to you later today. I'll send you a paper copy of the CIX Membership Agreement. Attached is the agreement in case you've not read it carefully, yet. Bill >Thanks for the info. Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought CIX >was a "service provider"; I realize how the connection is made between >members. It's as we expected. > >We're working on choosing an NSFnet connection provider. > >We are planning on connecting directly to CIX-West. I need to know the >exact address of the router so that I can contact Pacbell/etc re: leased >lines. > >Also, regarding routers and protocols used on "our" end: probably you're >using Ciscos, but what protocols are used that the router must comply >with? (Rumor has it that Livingston is coming out "soon" with a full T1 >router, etc). > >If you could also mail us whatever package of agreements etc we'll need >to sign we can start looking it over, if it's not too early for that. > >Thanks!! > > Tom Jennings > 55 Rondel Place > San Francisco CA 94103 > >-- > Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA Bill Washburn Executive Director--Commercial Internet eXchange (CIX) Assoc. (303)482-2150 COMMERCIAL INTERNET EXCHANGE MEMBER AGREEMENT This Agreement is made by and between the COMMERCIAL INTERNET EXCHANGE ASSOCIATION, a trade association incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware and having its principal place of business at 3110 Fairview Park Drive, Suite 590, Falls Church, Virginia 22042 ("CIX") and ("Member"), having its principal place of business at . R E C I T A L S WHEREAS, the purpose of the Association is to further the development of the open system protocol network service providers ("OSPNSP's") industry. The Association will assist the industry in the development of standards and interconnection protocols that will provide a basis for greater interconnection to the public network for the industry as a whole. It will provide educational opportunities to further Member technical and policy understanding of the industry. The Association will also develop public policies and public positions in the best interest of the industry. This Association will seek legislative consideration of issues of benefit to the Members and the industry. WHEREAS, CIX in furtherance of creating greater interconnectivity throughout the industry has established operational, technical and administrative mechanisms to ensure fair and open communications among OSPNSP's providing a peer relationship for routing packets over their networks; and WHEREAS, the Member wishes to participate in CIX. A G R E E M E N T CIX AGREES AS FOLLOWS: 1. To develop industry-wide forums for the consideration and development of industry related policy issues. 2. To discuss and consider issues that will improve the efficiency and interconnectivity of the Members use of public networks. 3. To support legislative goals beneficial to its Members and the industry. 4. To promote the greater connectivity of public networks. 5. To provide operational, technical and administrative mechanisms to ensure fair and open communications among OSPNSP's. THE MEMBER AGREES AS FOLLOWS: 6. Member will provide a circuit, at its own expense, from a location of its choice to a CIX router selected by mutual agreement, or other topologies and implementations specified by the Board of Directors. 7. Member will provide circuit termination and packet switching equipment at its end of the circuit, at its own expense, terminating with a PPP interface, which interface may be changed from time to time by mutual agreement. 8. Member may choose to connect at more than one CIX location. 9. Members shall cooperate and coordinate their activities to facilitate the broadest practical opportunity for interconnectivity among the direct customers of each Member and participating OSPNSP's. A Member shall not in a discriminatory manner (as between other Members) or without reasonable justification decline to offer CIX interconnectivity to its direct customers. Provided, however, that notwithstanding any of the foregoing, any Member shall be able to offer virtual private networks, to administer traffic and/or access restrictions for particular networks where requested or if required to provide special services, to offer other special services subject to specified limitations, to enter into separate interconnectivity agreements with other Members, to allow interconnectivity between indirect customers through CIX or other networks, and otherwise to comply with requests from customers or users for restrictions or limitations on the receipt, routing or delivery of messages. 10. Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to prohibit or restrain the entry by any Member into any separate contract or agreement with any other Member or third party on any terms. 11. A Member will, at its own expense and on a best efforts basis, provide Network Operations Center ("NOC") support in cooperation with other Members so as to maintain the smooth operation of the internetwork services. 12. Members may participate in the CIX Technical Committee. 13. Member agrees to pay an annual administrative fee which will be established by the Board of Directors. The 1992 fee has been set at $10,000 per Member. No fees will be charged between or among the CIX Members to pay for digitized information traffic exchanged through CIX. 14. No Member shall be liable other than as stated in paragraph 15 herein to any other Member or to CIX for any loss, damage, liability, claim or expense rising out of or in relation to this Agreement, however caused, whether grounded in contract, tort (including negligence) or strict liability. 15. Each Member and the Association shall indemnify and hold the nonliable Members harmless from and against any loss, damage, liability, claim or expense which results from a claim or claims asserted by unrelated third parties concerning an action or omission of such Member or the Association respectively. 16. Member is responsible for assessing its own need for property, casualty, and liability insurance and each shall obtain such insurance as each sees fit. Member shall bear the risk of loss to its own equipment and agrees to not make any claims against the others for any property loss. 17. Member agrees to abide as a Member with the Certificate of Incorporation and the By-laws / . 18. This Agreement shall be governed under the laws of the State of Delaware. Other than those contained explicitly in this Agreement, no representations are made by or among the Members. No agency status is created among the Members or the Association. 19. No confidential or proprietary information is protected or implied by this Agreement, and Members are not responsible to one another for any confidential information which may be inadvertently transmitted over the networks. 20. The duration of this Agreement is for two years and may be extended by mutual consent. A Member may terminate its responsibilities under this Agreement by giving all parties 180 days written notice, or sooner by mutual consent of all Members; provided, however, that no fee is refundable. 21. Member may assign its rights and responsibilities to another organization, in the event of merger, sale or transfer of its ownership to such organization provided that the assignee is a firm duly organized and licensed to conduct business and otherwise meets the conditions of membership established by the Board of Directors. 22. This Agreement may be extended to other parties which are duly organized and licensed to conduct business, and which subscribe to the CIX Membership Agreement. 23. The undersigned hereby certifies that he or she is legally authorized to enter into this Agreement on behalf of the Member organization, and that the execution of this Agreement will not conflict with or result in a breach of any other agreement to which such Member is a party. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have entered into this Agreement as of the date indicated below: MEMBER COMMERCIAL INTERNET EXCHANGE ASSOCIATION Name: Name: Title: Title: Date: Date: For: For: From washburn@cix.org Wed Apr 21 10:33:11 1993 Received: from Cix.ORG by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA05632; Wed, 21 Apr 93 10:33:05 -0700 Received: from [192.94.52.20] by Cix.ORG (5.67/1.37) id AA05655; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:40:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:40:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9304211740.AA05655@Cix.ORG> To: tomj@fido.wps.com (Tom Jennings) From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn - Executive Director) Subject: CIX-West Address Status: OR Tom-- Here's the address as promised. Bill W. CIX-W address: > > WTG > M/F PSI CPE > Commerce Campus > 2300 Walsh Ave. > Building K > SantaClara, CA 95051 > > NPA/NXX 408-986 From washburn@cix.org Wed Apr 21 10:33:24 1993 Received: from Cix.ORG by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA05637; Wed, 21 Apr 93 10:33:19 -0700 Received: from [192.94.52.20] by Cix.ORG (5.67/1.37) id AA05661; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:40:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:40:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9304211740.AA05661@Cix.ORG> To: tomj@fido.wps.com (Tom Jennings) From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn - Executive Director) Subject: Re: IP services, etc Status: OR >Also, regarding routers and protocols used on "our" end: probably you're >using Ciscos, but what protocols are used that the router must comply >with? (Rumor has it that Livingston is coming out "soon" with a full T1 >router, etc). For CIX interconnection, I'd recommend using a Cisco router with a CSC/4 processor and 9.1(x) software. The router should use BGP to exchange routing information with the CIX-West router. Connection rate is a full T1 payload, e.g., 1.536 Mbps. Bill W. From mkapor@eff.org Fri May 7 14:41:39 1993 Received: from eff.org by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA10753; Fri, 7 May 93 14:41:32 -0700 Received: from [192.47.52.100] (mac3.glocom.ac.jp) by eff.org with SMTP id AA23314 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/pen-ident for ); Fri, 7 May 1993 17:41:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199305072141.AA23314@eff.org> Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 06:41:01 +0800 To: tomj@fido.wps.com (Tom Jennings) From: mkapor@eff.org (Mitchell Kapor) X-Sender: mkapor@eff.org (Unverified) Subject: Re: Oh, nets and things... Status: OR I am in Kobe, Japan and will go into an email balck hole in Beijing on Monday for a week. All CIX members to date have some sort of arrangements with the NSF for access to NSFNET-routed sites. Alternet, PSI, Sprint, Cerfnet, etc. all have connections at one of the federal interconnect sites. You could request the same from NSF, and they would have no fair grounds for denying you, but they'd probably either say no or stall. When the new NAP architecture gets put in place (if it ever does), then you could connect by right to the regionals at a NAP. But that's a future architecture which isn't here. It turns out that because of the way ANS does routing, if you connect to the CIX you can route to all NSFNET sites. This is something you're not supposed to do, but there's nothing stopping you. On the other hand, sooner or later, a CIX member is going to ask you how you route to NSF sites. When they find out you don't have another connection, they're going to get suspicious. On theother hand, as a practical matter, the other CIX members are being discriminatory if they exploit their NSF connections (which they get for free) in a way which puts you at a competitive disadvantage. This whole situation really sucks in my opinion. I would be willing to do something about it, if I could figure out something to do about it. From washburn@cix.org Thu May 20 05:31:08 1993 Received: from toad.com by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA03861; Thu, 20 May 93 05:31:02 -0700 Received: from Cix.ORG ([192.48.96.21]) by toad.com id AA08359; Thu, 20 May 93 04:56:00 PDT Received: from icecube-slip.eff.org by Cix.ORG (5.67/1.37) id AA01533; Thu, 20 May 93 08:28:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 May 93 08:28:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9305201228.AA01533@Cix.ORG> To: tomj@fido.wps.com From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn - Executive Director) X-Sender: washburn@cix.org (Unverified) Subject: Hi Status: OR Tom-- So let me recall. Isn't the Bay to Breakers run coming up? Seems as though it's near the middle of May always. I actually ran in it once, but that was a number of years back. Just thought I'd say hi and see how you're doing and if there's anything with which I can help you. Take care, Bill W. From tomj Sat May 29 15:04:12 1993 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/1.34) id AA19275; Sat, 29 May 93 15:03:40 -0700 From: tomj (Tom Jennings) To: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn - Executive Director) Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 15:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Hi Message-Id: <9305292203.AA19268@fido.wps.com> X-L2L: wps.com Status: OR > So let me recall. Isn't the Bay to Breakers run coming up? Seems > as though it's near the middle of May always. I actually ran in it once, > but that was a number of years back. Just thought I'd say hi and see how > you're doing and if there's anything with which I can help you. Take care, Well! Busy, busy busy... also, I was out of town until yesterday (28 May) driving around the southwest, trying to get back my sanity. Failed, but had fun anyways :-) In spite of our silence, things are going well. Very well, actually. We're going to join forces with RAINnet, up in Portland, with Randy Bush and John Klensin up there the main conspirators, and come in as a three-state regional network called Rainy Garden Net, RGnet. We'll be equal partners. We're working out long lines and economics, etc. It looks good. We're working on various solutions to the NSFnet-connectivity problem. We have some ideas and possible solutions, though if you have any others certainly let us know. We'll have specifics later. Sorry for not sending you a 'keep alive' message at least. Thanks for poking me. Feel free to bug me at any time! -- Tom Jennings / tomj@fido.wps.com / World Power Systems / San Francisco CA