From tomj@fido.wps.com Thu Mar 10 21:28:37 1994 Received: from fido.wps.com by fnord.tlg.org (8.3/wps.com-hackery) id VAA06746; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 21:28:07 -0800 Received: by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA09246; Thu, 10 Mar 94 21:28:50 -0800 Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by fido.wps.com (5.67/wps.com-hackery) id AA07167; Mon, 28 Feb 94 10:14:28 -0800 Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Mon, 28 Feb 94 09:56 PST Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Mon, 28 Feb 94 09:56 PST Received: by wsrcc.com id AA11038 (5.67a/IDA-1.5-WSR-02/23/94 for toaster@psg.com); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 09:55:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199402281755.AA11038@wsrcc.com> Received: from GATEWAY by wsrcc.com with netnews for toaster@psg.com (toaster@psg.com) To: toaster@psg.com Date: 28 Feb 1994 09:55:26 -0800 From: wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang Rupprecht) Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA References: Subject: Frame relay - wan ethernet? Sender: tomj@fido.wps.com Status: OR randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes: >One interesting twist is that, due to US West's frame relay pricing >($70/mo for 56kb anywhere in the LATA) RAINet can offer 56kb anywhere in >the US West portions of Oregon and Washington for cheap. So we now >serve Southern Washington to the California border. PAC Bell also offers reasonably good frame relay rates. $50/mo. for the line, $75/mo. for the 56k CIR charge. Thats $125/mo. for a 56k connection to anywhere in PAC Bell land. T1's lines are $162/mo. with a $500/mo. charge for a 1.5Mbps CIR. The rest of the rates and associated propaganda is available from ftp.pacbell.com. Where it gets really interesting is that you can call a frame relay net from an ISDN phone!!! This means that a network provider really only needs *one* connection to service any number of dialup ISDN customers. Each customer calls the FR number and the packets get muxed onto the service providers one FR connection. Additionally the service provider could put all of his own traffic onto a frame relay net also and save quite a bit in leased line charges. The saving come in because one doesn't need separate leased lines and router ports for each link. One router port and frame-relay connection will support any number of virtual links. In a way, frame relay appears to be the wan equivalent to ethernet; there is no need to buy more router ports and leased lines every time someone else wants to connect. One thing that I'm still not clear on is security in a frame relay environment. I'm not sure how one prevents spoofing at the IP address level. Anyone that knows about this please jump up and down... -wolfgang -- Wolfgang Rupprecht Just say no to the "Trojan" Clipper/Skipjack chip. Say yes to PD encryption. echo "I oppose clipper. I support H.R. 3627. I want hearings on Clipper." | \ /bin/mail clipper.petition@cpsr.org leahy@eff.org cantwell@eff.org