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Subject: Online Potential
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Fellow workers,

**     My list of October 1993 showed 11 IWW members online -- we
are now approaching 30.

**

Here are some ideas about how we might could run IW online.

The e-IW could consist of current IW files plus stock IWW items,
and kept to a standard size.

To avoid extra work for IW editors, Current edition files could
simply be sent, at press time, to some other online Wob for
packaging into online format.

The Wob doing the online packaging, or someone closely connected,
would receive moneys from online subscribers.

Income would not be great, but there is no cost if labor is
volunteer.

We might develop a system where email users could order by email,
either subcriptions or single editions of e-IW, then we send them
a bill.

**

One thing we need to do, somewhere, is make available some files
with basic IWW info -- like Spunk has only more, with organizing
info and forms to use for printing sign-up cards.

**

Oh, this suggests one approach.   We create a file directory, like
an archive,  and each month the new e-IW is added..   This archive
also contains files with all sorts of basic info about the IWW.

For example the Branch address/phone directory would be a file,
which the online editor would go in and change for updates.

We would need a selective mail server, so anybody could order
basic info free -- but only an approved list of paid subscribers
would be able to get the IW files.

**

Rather than struggling with the record keeping and small amounts
of money through the mail, we might do better financially to give
away the e-IW free -- but load on promo for-sale items from Lit,
joining, etc.

It is possible we would wish to place all this onto existing Spunk
system, or create our own.

** Regarding e-IW overlap with the online public conference-list,
iww.news,

IW editors could post urgent news to the conf promptly,  but hoard
its other stories until press time.

A notice of release, ordering info, and summary of contents for
each IW online edition could be posted to the conf -- as well as
other conf's and BBS's.

**

Just some ideas toward developing IWW use of internet.

----carlos murray/ottawa

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From: Jon Bekken <jbekken@igc.apc.org>
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Fellow Workers,
I hate to throw out wet blankets, but so long as I am editing the
Industrial Worker there is no way I am going to get invovled in
preparing IW articles for electronic transmission, not even to the
extent of bundling them and sending them to anysomeone else.  I haven't
the time, the telecomm charges would be prohibitive, and I don't
see the point.  I'm already trying to get a lot of junk emailers
to stop sending entire publications my way.  Its not practical,
it kills my memory, and no one has time to deal with it.

Count me out.
Jon Bekken

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I hear what you're saying about workload, Jon. However...

The option will still be there if/when the money isn't.

Soli,
--Deke

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From: Jim Tucker <jimt@well.sf.ca.us>
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Fellow Workers,

As a new wob, the following are merely opinions and observations not
invitations to a flame war.  that said, here goes:

1. as far as I can tell we owe a "thank you" to FW Deke for sending
round the list address, etc.

2. the majority of wobs do not have internet e-mail.

3. internet e-mail is the fastest way to give almost any number of
people access to information.

4. those who do have e-mail often (myself included) find any
substantial amount of mail a time consuming burden to deal with

5. imho an archive of iww material perhaps with a WWW &/or gopher
address (published in the IW) would be a great resource as well as
having some potential for membership development.

6. all the computer users already have thier work cut out for them
just bringing FW's up to speed in using basic computer apps.  if all
wobs had e-mail we might just be a little more effective.

7. the suggestions of FW Carlos are not only do-able, they might well
yield substantial results.  however, the work involved to make it
happen is not inconsequential.

8. perhaps if we look for ways to cooperate, we can lessen one
another's work load and still reach a wider audience.

Anyone know of a possible site for an archive?  Disk space, ports to spare?

	  you don't have power if you aren't using it

		  jimt@well.com.sf.ca.us

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	A digital IW is only one of the possibilities for this medium.  A
note from Kevin Brandstatter mentioned organizing among lecturers at a
college there.  I didn't have to wait until I read it in the IW to
suggest that he get ahold of Bekken and the Hawaii and Philadelphia
branches which have been involved in similar drives.
	I'm also corresponding with a unionist in an IBEW shop, offering
suggestions about shop floor actions in the tradition of the IWW: a
contact I never would have made without the labor network.
	So it has a lot of potential.

				Solidarity,

				Fred Chase


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Jim Tucker writes:

>Anyone know of a possible site for an archive?  Disk space, ports to spare?

I think somebody already mentioned the Spunk archive.  I don't know who to 
contact about putting stuff there, though.  Maybe Jack Jansen?


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Hello FWs in Cyberspace,

I'd like to be included in the iww-list.

My name is Trevor Rigler x342944 IU620

Thanks.

- - -  t  r  e  v  o  r


	The opinions expressed above can be yours for a mere $19.95!


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>From indwrk@web.apc.org  Fri Oct  7 11:18:31 1994
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Did you get help with your union?

--Carlos Murray IWW Ottawa


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> 
> Hey Deke:
> 	I see your point about seperating posts into two groups.  I'm not 
> sure about breaking our info lines down into too many different lists, 
> because i think this waters down our discussants.  I think 
> psychologically, its easier to keep up with stuff coming from a limited # 
> of places.  Multiple groups would make it too easy to tune out of certain 
> subjects, thus not helping to foster common links between FWs doing 
> different projects in different places.
> 	Alois, I'm not sure how cost breakdown works for subing to many 
> lists, is there a cost per list, or something?  Anyway, watch out for my 
> next report coming soon.  Later
> 
> Soli,
> Mike D'


Hmmmm... I see yer point. There's gotta be some balance between the 
abilityto pre-sort (ever-growing) amounts of information,and the ability 
to weave common threads from diverse sources.

Hopefully, by the time we (organically) ramp up usageof any such lists, 
costs beyond members' access will be (monetarily) negligable, for reasons 
I'm reluctant to publically discuss-- essentially,the possibilities are 
still too embryonic.

Say-- do I get to (finally) meet ya face-to-face-style when I go to Philly 
1st.weekend in Nov.?

Soli,
--Deke


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> Hello FWs in Cyberspace,
> 
> I'd like to be included in the iww-list.
> 
> My name is Trevor Rigler x342944 IU620
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - - -  t  r  e  v  o  r
> 
> 
> 	The opinions expressed above can be yours for a mere $19.95!


OK, fellow worker,you're on it, as of Mon. 10 October, 2:45 p.m. PDT.

Welcome!!! *:)

In Solidarity,
Deke Nihilson, x341697
S.F. GMB, I.U. 560, IWW

From mdamore@moose.uvm.edu Mon Oct 10 21:59:31 1994
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Deke:
	Regarding Philly in November: Unfortunately, I'm not in the area 
right now.  I'm still at school in Vermont.  But I'm glad you'll be 
coming to Philly to see that Wobs down there.  I think they are 
(collectively as a whole) the absolute best.  They're great organizers 
and really diversified in their activities.  I hope that the convention 
ends up there next year, and there is still a possibilty that I will 
decide to accept the GST nomination (I have no idea why, but that's 
another story) and, if victorious, run the office as a mutual LV/Philly 
project.  I've been talking to Josie on that subject. POlitics, politics, 
politics, eh?

Soli,

Mike D'

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Mike, you're my Working Class Hero du jour! No, Rrrrrealy!!!!

*:)
--Deke

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Deke Motif Nihilson writes:
>
>Mike, you're my Working Class Hero du jour! No, Rrrrrealy!!!!
>
>*:)
>--Deke
>


Congrats on the GEB nomination.
Mike

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>> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 15:47:29 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Jim Tucker <jimt@well.sf.ca.us>
>> Subject: Re: IWW info request
>> To: indwrk@web.apc.org

> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Zelwietro
> <jpzelwie@watarts.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: IWW ?  To:
> indwrk@web.apc.org 
> Hello:
>      I've heard of IWW from a friend.  Could you send some
> information on it?
>      Thanks, Joe
> **************** Let's inform this worker, FW's -- carlos m


        Jim says:

>> This is a great way to clog the mailboxes of everyone on 
>> the iww-list. 

     Sorry Jim, I thought members would be interested.

>> If we can't setup an archive, we might try to setup an 
>> auto-responder so that folks can get on with the rest of 
>> thier mail.

     I think we can setup an archive.  As far as I can see, 
we ought to utilize Spunk -- I'm not aware of anyone in the IWW
willing and able to setup at this time.  Spunk already has a
few files.   What about the package Mike Ballard has?  Does he 
want us to direct inquiries to him?  It's kind of a large file.
We need to agree on a coherent way to handle info-inquiries.

>> The current signal/noise ratio for picking up my mail this 
>> time is 0 for 3.  If that doesn't improve I intend to unsubscribe 
>> from the iww-list to  stop wasting my on-line time.  
>> Got a better suggestion?    >> jimt

     If you think there's a need, perhaps some guidelines could be 
agreed upon for what is  *appropriate* on the iww-list.

     My messages to jimt@well.sf.ca.us   always get returned, so for 
the moment this  is the only way I can respond, via   iww-list.
I am also not able to contact Lehigh by direct email.

Solidarity, Carlos Murray/Ottawa

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From: Jim Tucker <jimt@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: Spunk
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Hi Deke,

	I tried to reach you by voice yesterday and left a message.  
If you can and would please send some info on "spunk".  Although FW Carlos 
seems to think that we may be able to set up an archive there and I 
believe i remember you mentioning it in one of your posts, so far 
i have not found a URL, a domain name, or any other way to find 
the spunk site or folks.  

	FW Ervin's 79K post struck me in part as funny in that although a 
price for the published version of his pamphlets was in the post, what 
actually has happened is that each person on the iww-list has to pay for 
the time to capture the text, FW Ervin gets none of that money. 

	I am curious as to your view of the purpose of the iww-list.  Is 
it a good place to distribute views of history, or lengthy publicly 
available documents of primarily local interest?  Is it a place for 
pre-publication distribution of information from the GOB or IW?

	Personally, I think the GOB and IW stuff tends to create a group 
with privileged access to the IWW.  I believe that to be anti-democratic 
and counter to what i know of the ideology of the IWW.  As to lengthy 
stuff, are we just inviting people to delete the entire message after 
reading the first 6 or 60 screens? (FW Ervin's post ran to about 100 
screens.)

	Although a moderated list might ease the situation, it would 
also: 1. Decrease the timelyness of the traffic
      2. Require the time of some person to moderate it
      3. Put the moderator in the unenviable position of being "list boss"

	Given those kinds of considerations, I for one would like to help 
work toward the IWW having an archive and (hopefully) an auto-responder 
so that the iww-list would function as a timely and lively discussion and 
resource exchange for active IWW members.

			Sincerely,

			  jimt

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> 	I tried to reach you by voice yesterday and left a message.  
> If you can and would please send some info on "spunk".  Although FW Carlos 

Um, lemme see... 

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There. Um, fair warning-- their "signal-to-noise" gets kinda wacky 
sometimes (lotsa folx started getting copies of all their sub requests, 
and Making It Stop was a process I saved in a documentation file I call 
spunk-hell. Also, their "info-request" is a catalog that, in 7/94, ran 
for 633 lines. Brevity's just not in 'em, though the folx there atr nice 
enough-- mebbe drop a line to Ian).


> 	FW Ervin's 79K post

> each person on the iww-list has to pay for 
> the time to capture the text ...
> 
> 	I am curious as to your view of the purpose of the iww-list. 
> pre-publication distribution of information from the GOB or IW?

Jim, this is a very raw thing. Most using it are just trip[ping on the 
idea of All Them Fellow Wobs online. Everyone's still sorting out the 
ramifications of e-mailboxes. Elegance just ain't in it. More on what I 
think it's good for in a minute-- for now, all I can say is maybe you 
don't wanna be where iww-list is at, and it's certainly far from where 
you want it to be. Solutions to this will be relatively complex and 
time-consuming (compared to putting someone's e-ddress on or off a list).

> 	Personally, I think the GOB and IW stuff tends to create a group 
> with privileged access to the IWW.  I believe that to be anti-democratic 
> and counter to what i know of the ideology of the IWW.  As to lengthy 
> stuff, are we just inviting people to delete the entire message after 
> reading the first 6 or 60 screens? (FW Ervin's post ran to about 100 
> screens.)

Well, the GOB and the IW go to everyone who pays dues, whether they want 
it or not. (No, Really. I've heard tales of the GOB killing branches by 
driving new members away.) The online stuff has the *potential* to be 
exclusivist-- if the FWs already online let it be that way. In Santa 
Cruz, online responsibilities are taken on/assigned to someone who is 
then accountable to the branch to report at meetings what's going on 
online. I would ardently hope other FW's take more of this kind of 
approach than that of access-fetishization. Many geographically dispersed 
FWs are online, and the fact that a booming branch in the UK can 
instantly communicate with so many wobs on this side of the pond argues 
for this setup *despite* its dangers of elitism. Also, the tech curve is 
pulling people online faster and faster. If we wait til everyone has a 
computer, we will have missed the boat. Again.
 
> 	Although a moderated list might ease the situation, it would 
> also: 1. Decrease the timelyness of the traffic
>       2. Require the time of some person to moderate it
>       3. Put the moderator in the unenviable position of being "list boss"

Yup. Work and authority. Icky. Loose as it is, there's something to be 
said for the initiative basis of IWW activities online, such as they are 
or aren't.

> 	Given those kinds of considerations, I for one would like to help 
> work toward the IWW having an archive and (hopefully) an auto-responder 
> so that the iww-list would function as a timely and lively discussion and 
> resource exchange for active IWW members.
> 

Cool-- you have my full support and encouragement, and I'll help hack 
things into files to put there, too. But that's not where I see my 
primary opportunities to do good things for us online. Access and 
Affordability are where I'm at. I wanna work towards getting our own 
machine up 24/7, and then *giving* accounts to members, so all they'd 
have to do is find a way to telnet in. No per-K fees. Access from 
anywhere in the world, from anywhere you can find a door into it. 

I guess that's a level or two up from a moderated list or an 
auto-responder. But, it would be a good place to set those things up, 
too. (Like majordomo, another interest of mine.) Right now, we've been 
looking to other people's machines for the crumbs of what they can do for 
us. I'd rather we take control of (at least one) point of production, and 
as this is my industrial job description, it all fits together quite well.

It's also a lot of work, and learning for me to do. It ain't gonna happen 
in a snap, and will surely be messy (but then, you won't be paying by the 
K for it either, though maybe still by the minute). I could use all the 
help you care to spare. Or, if you pursue something else, I'll be more 
than glad to help. Or, or, or... what other options do we have?

Any way we go, the iww-list is an embryonic prototype. It will 
probably always be as infantile as it is right now. I'm tempted to offer 
you a stipend outta my pocket and shit, as so much of what annoys you 
about it is what it's costing you (and that's nothing but legitimate a 
gripe.) On the other hand, it might just be easier to take you off that 
list, and instead work with you towards greater common interests.

For a world without bosses through
direct-action worker control,
--Deke Nihilson, x341697
I.U. 560, S.F. GMB, IWW

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    THE IWW IN CANADA //1975, IWW Chicago//   is now available in
text form by E- mail.  Gives history of Canadian branches from
1906, Ontario to B.C., with context of broader North America labor
movement, sketches roots of CLC.  6,500 words.  Free for asking.
Contact

  indwrk@web.apc.org

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From: sdlotu@iac.net (Dean Steede)

>    THE IWW IN CANADA //1975, IWW Chicago//   is now available in
>text form by E- mail.  Gives history of Canadian branches from
>1906, Ontario to B.C., with context of broader North America labor
>movement, sketches roots of CLC.  6,500 words.  Free for asking.
>Contact
>
>  indwrk@web.apc.org

Send a copy along to me, Carlos.

See you in the streets...

Dean Steede      |  Internet:  sdlotu@iac.net
Cincinnati,  OH  |  IWW Delegate, IN-KY-OH Area
The great are great only because we are on our knees.



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Please forward a copy of this history to...

Marcella Munro 
actcan@web.apc.org

Thanks!

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I will be doing a radio show celebrating Joe Hill's birthday on friday 
Oct. 7 featuring the _Don't Mourn, ORGANIZE!_ compiliation and a few 
covers of Joe's songs as well as a little history.  I know this is last 
minute but if you have any relevant information I would greatly 
appreciate it...by tommorrow at noon?

In Solidarity,
Chris Borte (c/o Brian Baxter)


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AP 6 Oct 94 15:46 EDT V0677

(from the associated press wire...)

PARIS (AP)  --  Florence Rey, a 19-year-old neighbors described as shy
and polite, was charged Thursday with joining her boyfriend in killing
three policemen and a taxi driver in a bloodbath that shocked France.

     Ms. Rey, who has refused to answer questions since her capture late
Tuesday, remained silent during a 90-minute court hearing as she was
charged with murder, attempted murder and hostage-taking.
     Her companion, Audry Maupin, 22, died at a hospital late Wednesday,
about 24 hours after he was wounded in the second of two shootouts
during a chase through eastern Paris.
     Ms. Rey, the daughter of a teacher and a plumber, grew up in a
low-income, high-crime neighborhood in Argenteuil, a working-class Paris
suburb.
     Neighbors said the young woman had rarely returned home in recent
months, but remembered her as quiet, respectful, and well-dressed.
     They said she never spoke of politics or gave any hint of
involvement with anarchist groups.  Police found documents with slogans
such as "To die is easy" and "Death to cops" during a search of her home
Wednesday.
     The indident began Tuesday night when a masked couple scaled a
fence at a car pound, sprayed tear gas at two policemen on duty, and
stole their pistols.  The couple then commandeered a taxi, taking the
driver and a passenger hostage.  About 10 minutes into the journey, the
driver, Amadou Dialllo, deliberately steered his taxi into a police car
with three officers inside.
     Two officers got out and both were fatally wounded when the couple
opened fire, police said.  Ms. Rey shot Diallo to death at point-blank
range, witnesses said.
     The couple next hijacked a Renault sedan, taking the driver
hostage.  By this time, they were the object of an all-out search, and
soon were overtaken by police motorcyclists.  A final shootout ensued,
killing one of the motorcycle officers and badly injuring another.
     Jacky Bensimon, the driver of the Renault, described Ms. Rey as the
"leader of the operations," telling RTL radio she ordered Maupin to take
a shotgun and fire through the car's smashed rear window at police
pursing them.
     When the Renault finally was stopped at a police barricade in the
Bois de Vincennes, a city park, Bensimon bolted out with his hands over
his head, yelling that he was a hostage.
     But police, apparently unaware there was a hostage, shot him in the
leg, slammed him to the gorun, handcuffed him and swore at him,
according to his lawywer, Jeffrey Schenazi, who said Bensimon whould sue
police.
     The killings of three police officers -- in a country where only 22
officers have died in action since 1990 -- promoted some conservative
politicians to demand the death penalty be restored.  Among them was
Interior Minister Charles Pasqua, who oversees the police.

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....Anybody know anything about this? I would be interested to find out
more...

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>From Sawzall@chop.isca.uiowa.edu  Fri Oct  7 20:00:14 1994
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 Hey FWs,
  I'm in Philly for a while now.  I'm not sure where my dues were left. Please 
let me know which month I next owe for. Also, should I see Bob or Josie or 
doesn't it matter?  For the next chunk of my life you can change my address to 
4823 Baltimore Ave, Phila, PA 19143.
  Thanks!
  Kat
 (Katrina Hanna)


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Hey Deke.

How was the picket line the other morning? Sorry I didn't make it. Sleep held
me in its thrall & I was even (a little) late for work. C'est la vie. I saw
it got the front page of the Ex though.

I was wondering if you have Jon Bekken's mailing address and/or the current
IW mailing address. I am supposed to send him a package which has some
sofware, etc. that will help him get out the IW. Unfortanately, I lost the
letter he'd sent me with his contact info. 

If you have it, I'd really love to hear back from you today, so that I can
send it off when I go to the post office at my measly lunch break.

Muchas gracias, compa.

--George



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> I will be doing a radio show celebrating Joe Hill's birthday on friday 
> Oct. 7 featuring the _Don't Mourn, ORGANIZE!_ compiliation and a few 
> covers of Joe's songs as well as a little history.  I know this is last 
> minute but if you have any relevant information I would greatly 
> appreciate it...by tommorrow at noon?
> 
> In Solidarity,
> Chris Borte (c/o Brian Baxter)


Hi Chris, my name is Deke; I'm one of the online volunteers for the 
General Administration of the IWW (as I'm in the industry). 

Just so that you know what happened with your request (above), I 
forwarded it along online, to other wobs online,as soon as I found it in 
our e-mailbox, but that was only the day before your show. 

I hope that folks sent things along to you, but find myself doubting it, 
as the turnaround was so short. We can make systems to communicate 
blindingly fast, but the humans doing the communicating are still humans, 
and have their own timeframes that limit the paradigm at least somewhat  *:)

ANYway, I just wanted you to know that even if nothing came back to you 
online, I didn't just flake on your message. (How did the show go, BTW?). 
If I'd had a little more notice I could have sent you an excellent booklet 
on the life and times of Joe Hill, but as with so much else of our 
historical documentation, we don't have it transcribed online yet. If 
you're interested, let me know and I'll tell ya where to send to for it 
(in the snail-mail). 
 

For a world without bigots or bosses,
--Deke Nihilson, for the IWW

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> Did you get help with your union?
> 
> --Carlos Murray IWW Ottawa


Yes, damn fine question. Too bad we have so little of our materials 
online yet, eh? Also,I think we have a few members in Tucson (which is 
where you are?), but I don't think they're very active, atleast not with 
the union...

nastyboy23-- you may wanna write to our branch in Lehigh Valley, who've 
produced a coupleof *excellent* organizing manuals. Um, lessee... ah yes, 
here it is:

Lehigh Valley IWW
P.O. Box 4133
Bethlehem, PA  18018

I think they ask, like, $3or 5 each book. How to organize from scratch, 
by folx who've done it. 

Also, General Headquarters still has a booklet around called, um,
"How To Fire Your Boss-- A Worker's Guide to Direct Action." It's a 
fine primer-- I'd be glad to send you a copy of that, if I had a snail-mail 
address to send it to. I'll even send it along for free, for being such a 
lameass and not responding sooner. It was because I didn't just 
have something on my computer to just forward along, but I'm over that 
now.  *:)  If you're really ready for the kind of work organizing is, 
writing a few snail-mail letters is easy to handle!!  

Cool handle, BTW. Is it true?

In Solidarity (if not *always* immediacy!),
--Deke Nihilson, Online Volunteer
S.F. GMB, I.U.560, IWW

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>  Hey FWs,
>   I'm in Philly for a while now.  I'm not sure where my dues were left. Please 
> let me know which month I next owe for. Also, should I see Bob or Josie or 
> doesn't it matter?  For the next chunk of my life you can change my address to 
> 4823 Baltimore Ave, Phila, PA 19143.
>   Thanks!
>   Kat
>  (Katrina Hanna)


Oh,OK, cool-- I'll pass wordalong toGHQ,who can fill you in on where 
you're at with dues. They do that sorta thing by snail-mail, BTW...

Yeah, both those FWs are delegates, and probably know who else in Philly 
is one too... Also, do you still get e-mail at your iowa address? Guess I 
won't know  unless you do (or I meet you...) How stable is it? I wonder 
cuz I maintain the iww-list, which I think you're on...

So I guess I get to meet ya in a coupla weeks, when I'm in Philly. 
Meanwhile, I'll passthis along to GHQ...

Soli,
--Deke Nihilson

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Thanks, compa. That oughta do.

--George



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 The mail you sent could not be delivered;
 it was addressed to an unknown AOL user (nastyboy23).
The text you sent follows...

> >From indwrk@web.apc.org  Fri Oct  7 11:18:31 1994
> Received: from web.apc.org (web.net [142.75.1.1]) by mail.igc.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.48 ) with SMTP id LAA10737 for <iww@mail.igc.apc.org>; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 11:17:50 -0700
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> To: nastyboy23@aol.com
> Cc: iww@igc.apc.org
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> 
> Did you get help with your union?
> 
> --Carlos Murray IWW Ottawa


Yes, damn fine question. Too bad we have so little of our materials 
online yet, eh? Also,I think we have a few members in Tucson (which is 
where you are?), but I don't think they're very active, atleast not with 
the union...

nastyboy23-- you may wanna write to our branch in Lehigh Valley, who've 
produced a coupleof *excellent* organizing manuals. Um, lessee... ah yes, 
here it is:

Lehigh Valley IWW
P.O. Box 4133
Bethlehem, PA  18018

I think they ask, like, $3or 5 each book. How to organize from scratch, 
by folx who've done it. 

Also, General Headquarters still has a booklet around called, um,
"How To Fire Your Boss-- A Worker's Guide to Direct Action." It's a 
fine primer-- I'd be glad to send you a copy of that, if I had a snail-mail 
address to send it to. I'll even send it along for free, for being such a 
lameass and not responding sooner. It was because I didn't just 
have something on my computer to just forward along, but I'm over that 
now.  *:)  If you're really ready for the kind of work organizing is, 
writing a few snail-mail letters is easy to handle!!  

Cool handle, BTW. Is it true?

In Solidarity (if not *always* immediacy!),
--Deke Nihilson, Online Volunteer
S.F. GMB, I.U.560, IWW


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Happy National [sic] Coming Out Day!!!!!

If you're not out of the closet (queer or otherwise), now's the time! If 
you are, come further out!

And don't forget-- your solidarity makes it possible for others to survive...

BTW-- any chance that our IWW Calendars can, in the future, reflect the 
fact that October 11 is Coming Out Day??? (As wobs, we need not settle for 
that National shit!!!  8-)

Yours for a world without bigots or bosses,
Miss Fellow Worker Thing Deke Nihilson, Faggot, x341697
S.F. GMB, I.U. 560, IWW

*****
Said the Good Witch to the Little People of Oz:
"Come out, come out wherever you are!!!"
*****

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On Mon, 10 Oct 1994, Deke Motif Nihilson wrote:

> > Hello FWs in Cyberspace,
> > 
> > I'd like to be included in the iww-list.
> > 
> > My name is Trevor Rigler x342944 IU620
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > - - -  t  r  e  v  o  r
> > 
> > 
> > 	The opinions expressed above can be yours for a mere $19.95!
> 
> 
> OK, fellow worker,you're on it, as of Mon. 10 October, 2:45 p.m. PDT.
> 
> Welcome!!! *:)
> 
> In Solidarity,
> Deke Nihilson, x341697
> S.F. GMB, I.U. 560, IWW
> 
Deke does every person on the iww-list need two copies of Trevor's 
request?  This is exactly the sort of thing that inclines me to 
unsubscribe from the list.

Onward, up thru the noise to a signal

jimt


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Deke Motif Nihilson writes:
>
>I'm afraid the GHQ account has gotten awfully busy without ya-- although 
>I have mamaged (or rather, worker-controlled) to get the relevant 
>documents to GHQ and people's queries answered). 
>
>If archiving things is important to you, I'll help you go through all the 
>messages at the ghq account. Otherwise, let's just start wiping them as 
>they're dealt with    *:)
>
>Soli,
>--Deke
>
>P.S. How was Guatemala? Also, what's your daughter's name? Again, 
>congratulations to all three+ of ya...
>
Yeah, I got back this week; but am under a pile of work rubble.
I'll try to go through the iww e-mail soon.  
Daughter's name is Maura.  She is in Texas now with my wife.
Didn't see much of Guatemala.  Had to keep a low profile.  
I think it would be a nice place, if the government were radically changed.
Climate is very SFish.
soli,
Mike


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Sure, There's some space on the 11th for adding Coming Ourt Day.
Of course 1995 is already printed, but I've made a note for 1996.
Any other suggestions to add to the calendar?
Jon Bekken

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>Sure, There's some space on the 11th for adding Coming Ourt Day.
>Of course 1995 is already printed, but I've made a note for 1996.
>Any other suggestions to add to the calendar?
>Jon Bekken

How about Whiskey Rebellion Day?  Today marks the bicentennial of the day 
some brave Pennsylvania farmers rose up against the tyranny of the new 
Federal government, only to be crushed by their own state militia, which had 
been commandeered by the Federal government (the first but not last time that 
happened) and led by President George Washington (so much for the idea in the 
Federalists Papers that such militias would serve as a check on the tyrannny 
of the central government).  




-Brian Callahan
Brian=Callahan%MT%DFCI@netban2-gw.dfci.harvard.edu

"Capitalism is like a dead herring in the moonlight, it shines but it stinks."
 


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>From deke@wps.com  Fri Oct 14 11:17:42 1994
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>Sure, There's some space on the 11th for adding Coming Ourt Day.
>Of course 1995 is already printed, but I've made a note for 1996.
>Any other suggestions to add to the calendar?
>Jon Bekken

How about Whiskey Rebellion Day?  Today marks the bicentennial of the day 
some brave Pennsylvania farmers rose up against the tyranny of the new 
Federal government, only to be crushed by their own state militia, which had 
been commandeered by the Federal government (the first but not last time that 
happened) and led by President George Washington (so much for the idea in the 
Federalists Papers that such militias would serve as a check on the tyrannny 
of the central government).  




-Brian Callahan
Brian=Callahan%MT%DFCI@netban2-gw.dfci.harvard.edu

"Capitalism is like a dead herring in the moonlight, it shines but it stinks."



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>From deke@wps.com  Sat Oct 15 08:53:52 1994
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>> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 15:47:29 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Jim Tucker <jimt@well.sf.ca.us>
>> Subject: Re: IWW info request
>> To: indwrk@web.apc.org

> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Zelwietro
> <jpzelwie@watarts.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: IWW ?  To:
> indwrk@web.apc.org 
> Hello:
>      I've heard of IWW from a friend.  Could you send some
> information on it?
>      Thanks, Joe
> **************** Let's inform this worker, FW's -- carlos m


        Jim says:

>> This is a great way to clog the mailboxes of everyone on 
>> the iww-list. 

     Sorry Jim, I thought members would be interested.

>> If we can't setup an archive, we might try to setup an 
>> auto-responder so that folks can get on with the rest of 
>> thier mail.

     I think we can setup an archive.  As far as I can see, 
we ought to utilize Spunk -- I'm not aware of anyone in the IWW
willing and able to setup at this time.  Spunk already has a
few files.   What about the package Mike Ballard has?  Does he 
want us to direct inquiries to him?  It's kind of a large file.
We need to agree on a coherent way to handle info-inquiries.

>> The current signal/noise ratio for picking up my mail this 
>> time is 0 for 3.  If that doesn't improve I intend to unsubscribe 
>> from the iww-list to  stop wasting my on-line time.  
>> Got a better suggestion?    >> jimt

     If you think there's a need, perhaps some guidelines could be 
agreed upon for what is  *appropriate* on the iww-list.

     My messages to jimt@well.sf.ca.us   always get returned, so for 
the moment this  is the only way I can respond, via   iww-list.
I am also not able to contact Lehigh by direct email.

Solidarity, Carlos Murray/Ottawa


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Send me a copy, please. I'm at clevelak@web.apc.org

Thanks, brother...

Keith (Carlos) Cleveland


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Thanks.

-----------------------------
Art McGee [amcgee@netcom.com]
-----------------------------


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> Thanks.
> 
> -----------------------------
> Art McGee [amcgee@netcom.com]
> -----------------------------

I dunno if I'd go so far as to characterize my relationship to this 
mail-list as exactly one of ownership, but as I attend it I guess it's 
mine to respond.

Also, the automation is really minimal, so here I sit and hack. How may I 
help you?

--Deke Nihilson

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>From kevin.brandstatter@afrc.ac.uk  Tue Oct 18 11:41:16 1994
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GA

Please send me some dues stamps as soon as you can.  Both myself comrades and
in London have run out. 

I have asked before but nothing has come in the post.

I have sorted out with Bob Cullen, our treasurer, the missing 73.00.  He amy
already have sent it. We had a little breakdown in communication which we have
now sorted out.

Kevin Brnadstatter
del 94-79


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Thanks for your quick response. I was curious as to what the IWW-LIST 
mailing list is about and what the administrative address is for 
subscribing/unsubscribing? 

Is it a private list or is it open to anyone?

Lastly, I'm assuming that IWW has something to do with International 
Workers of the World or something to that affect.

Thanks in advance.

On Tue, 18 Oct 1994, Deke Motif Nihilson wrote:

> > Thanks.
> > 
> > -----------------------------
> > Art McGee [amcgee@netcom.com]
> > -----------------------------
> 
> I dunno if I'd go so far as to characterize my relationship to this 
> mail-list as exactly one of ownership, but as I attend it I guess it's 
> mine to respond.
> 
> Also, the automation is really minimal, so here I sit and hack. How may I 
> help you?
> 
> --Deke Nihilson
> 

-----------------------------
Art McGee [amcgee@netcom.com]
-----------------------------


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> Thanks for your quick response. 

You're welcome.

>I was curious as to what the IWW-LIST 
> mailing list is about and what the administrative address is for 
> subscribing/unsubscribing? 
> 
> Is it a private list or is it open to anyone?

iww-list is a wobblies-only mailing list. You're welcome to join it, once 
you've joined the IWW (presuming you're eligible-- only bosses and those 
whose employment conflicts with the principles and purposes of our 
organization are barred from membership. I'd be happy to send you more 
information on membership, if you so desire.)

> Lastly, I'm assuming that IWW has something to do with International 
> Workers of the World or something to that affect.

We're the INDUSTRIAL Workers of the World-- if the "I" meant
International, our name would be redundant. Industrial describes a kind of
organizing strategy, not "that (one) work(s) in a factory". I'm not mad--
we wobs just explain this a *lot* :-)

> Thanks in advance.

Again, you're welcome. Feel free to ask me more about joining (we wobs 
like to see a little initiative from interested parties and/or 
prospective members. Signs o' Life, dontcha know ;-} 

BTW, how did you hear of iww-list, and/or what sparked your interest?

Sincerely,
Deke Nihilson, I.U. 560, S.F. IWW

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From: "Arthur R. McGee" <amcgee@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Listowner Please Respond
To: Deke Motif Nihilson <deke@fido.wps.com>
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> We're the INDUSTRIAL Workers of the World-- if the "I" meant
> International, our name would be redundant. Industrial describes a kind of
> organizing strategy, not "that (one) work(s) in a factory". I'm not mad--
> we wobs just explain this a *lot* :-)

Oh yes, that's it. You have to forgive me but sometimes it becomes
difficult trying to juggle and remember all the various acronyms on the
Left(DSA, CoC, ISO, CPUSA, MIM, SPUSA, etc.) ;-D I'm getting better at it
though. 

> BTW, how did you hear of iww-list, and/or what sparked your interest?

I'm what you might call an online activist. I work for IGC and for the
last few years(even before I worked for them) I've been combing cyberspace
for Left/Progressive related resources. 

My main thing has to do with the use of these emerging communications
technologies by communities of color(I'm African-American by the way).
This includes all aspects of how they can use it as a powerful tool for
their own benefit, and what ways it will affect them as consumers,
citizens, and workers.

I also consider myself to be a Progressive or Democratic Socialist,
although I'm not as steeped in all of the theory. I approach all of this
from a more grassroots perspective and being Black a lot of it comes
second nature to me. From my view of things, I sometimes wonder how any
Black person can be a conservative. They must have to undergo a special
operation or something. ;-)

Take care.

-----------------------------
Art McGee [amcgee@netcom.com]
-----------------------------

"I personally don't care if it turns out that socialism is the most 
inefficient way in the world to run an economy; I don't care if all the 
great things I think would happen with more planning in the economy never 
happen. There is simply something terribly wrong with some people having 
tens of billions of dollars; multiple mansions; airplanes, while little 
children go to bed ill fed and ill housed or homeless. Before socialism is 
an economic issue, it is a matter of justice and compassion." 

                                         Camilla Cracchiolo

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hi deke! i forgot to mention to you the most incredible
encounter i had the other night when mary magdalene introduced
herself to me...so many goddesses...ok this is just a test...
do you read me?!

ciao
liberti


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Subject: List functions
Status: OR

Re:  iww-list  traffic Re:  iww.news

******iww-list********** I suggest that we do try and get a
comprehensive IWW info-archive placed on Spunk, and that if FW Jim
could find a cheaper friendlier email provider, the problem will
be mostly solved for the present.  *Why does FW Jim have to read
through 100 screens to get to the next message?  Better modem
program needed?*    Is there a way FW Jim can piggyback on GHQ
account or hack into a free email provider ?

Notes for Jim:  FW Mike Ballard=   miballar@leland.stanford.edu FW
Mike D'Amore tells me that Lehigh is working on getting a
different internet provider which has more gateways.  The
coordinator of Spunk Press can be reached at ian@spider.co.uk In
the past, Ian has been willing to increase IWW files at Spunk
archive.  So we need to 1/ find out how to add-edit files on Spunk
and 2/ know the address for people to get these files.

A question for FW Deke:   Is the send-to  access to iww-list
limited?  There is no way for a *stranger to post to the list?
The reason I'm asking is so I know whether to leave the heading on
re-posts that come from the list.

Notes to someone:  I lost both of the long postings re Komboa
Ervin and Lenny Flank/ Philly lit.   Can someone break these into
reasonable  /suggest no more than 12K per file/ size and post to
the  iww.news@conf.igc.apc.org  *please and thank you?

**********iww.news************ Note for everyone:   Please post
news & info of interest to IWW, members supporters and friends to
<iww.news@conf.igc.apc.org>   .    News about direct action,
events, shop floor tactics, organizing, etc. also we need some
news about the IWW activities.  I don't know how much longer
IGC.APC is going to take, to set up the <majordomo> auto-sub, but
at that point we can start to advertize  iww.news   throughout the
internet, and will undoubtedly pick up a lot more subscribers to
this conf.

*BritWobs should be able to post by sending to
<iww.news@conf.gn.apc.org> *

In addition to the soon-to-expand mailing list,,  iww.news   is
now posted on:  USA-----Peacenet      Canada------Webnet
Britain-----GreenNet   Russia-----Glasnet

And soon to appear on apc networks in:  Australia--------Pegasus
Germany-------Comlink Brazil-------Alternex

 *If you have an apc account, you are charged for online time
 looking at/downloading from
the conf, but you can pick and choose your messages, they don't
come to your emailbox.*

The apc networks are mainly used by activists and NGOs.  So the
conf is, or soon will be, a good opportunity to spread your info
and gather diverse support, and generate interest in the IWW.

Peace and Solidarity, Carlos Murray/Ottawa

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Wow Carlos-- this is *really* hot! Damn good work, FW!


> 
> Re:  iww-list  traffic Re:  iww.news
> 
> ******iww-list********** I suggest that we do try and get a
> comprehensive IWW info-archive placed on Spunk, and that if FW Jim
> could find a cheaper friendlier email provider, the problem will
> be mostly solved for the present.  *Why does FW Jim have to read
> through 100 screens to get to the next message?  Better modem
> program needed?*    Is there a way FW Jim can piggyback on GHQ
> account or hack into a free email provider ?

Yeah, me and Jim are getting together tomorrow, with the purpose of 
iww-centric domain establishment in mind. I haven't been talking about 
this, as it's inevitably a ways away. But I have talked majordomo, and 
that's even further off. Also, if we can do reliable archive/majordomo 
stuff elsewhere, any iww.org machine to come along could better serve is 
as a host to e-mail shell accounts to wobs (like a benefit of 
membership), who would but have to telnet in from anywhere in the world 
to access a constant, *secure* and free e-mail box. It's a DIY (that's 
punk rock for Do It Yerself, and learn by doing) proposition-- but with 
Jim on board, we can start actualizing this thing. My work situation 
promises to be a boon to this, as I'm getting trained (and got a raise 
for it, unasked-for, BTW) to learn the skills necessary to set up just 
this sorta thing. I've repeatedly maintained I'm gonna need to actually 
set up a domain to do this, as I'm a hands-on learned, and, well, 
prospects look good. They look good. Shit's coming together on this, and 
I knock on wood. Either way, it's in the weeks-or-months away thing. 
Welllll-- maybe not. Gotta get with Jim to know. But, access and 
equipment are *already* covered, and those are usually the biggest 
obstacles. I know of another FW or two in the area WHO HACVE SKILLS, AND 
INTEREST, AND NO TIME TOO. (oops-- sorry for the caps. And the typos, for 
that matter  *:)

> 
> Notes for Jim:  FW Mike Ballard=   miballar@leland.stanford.edu FW
> Mike D'Amore tells me that Lehigh is working on getting a
> different internet provider which has more gateways.  The
> coordinator of Spunk Press can be reached at ian@spider.co.uk In
> the past, Ian has been willing to increase IWW files at Spunk
> archive.  So we need to 1/ find out how to add-edit files on Spunk
> and 2/ know the address for people to get these files.

Wow, cool. I'm going out to Philly, with FW Maile from SC, in about two 
weeks. They set me up a queer labor organizing gig, but then, there's my 
industry too (industry + identity = ..? th' 90's, mebbe. ANYway)

> A question for FW Deke:   Is the send-to  access to iww-list
> limited?  There is no way for a *stranger to post to the list?
> The reason I'm asking is so I know whether to leave the heading on
> re-posts that come from the list.

Well, the blatant fact of the matter is that, indeed, anyone can *send* 
something to iww-list@etc. However, only those on the list would get it, 
and the only info anyone can get on the header, about the list, is 
"iww-list@fido.wps.com" An alias is just that-- no one knows, from 
getting something onto or from it, who's on it except the maintainer of 
the alias. I've no intent to hoard such knowledge-- but likewise, nor to 
publish it either!!! Surely, we'll need agreements (if not outright 
policies) on such issues, but so far the scale is small enough to just 
ramp it up (and think about it in the process). Also-- there's lotsa 
security between the front gate of fido and the actual list (hacker's 
hell, no, really). Also, the list is easy to disable internally (like if 
we get mailbombed, or spammed to excess, for example). I work online 40 
hours a week, and have a dialup from home, so I see the mail coming in 
fairly constantly, for 60+ hours a week (not bad monitoring, for an alias 
and for free). Of course, with our own domain, we'd have a lot of special 
security needs-- just another thing to figure out! Hey y'all-- the more 
hands and heads, the lighter the work. With telnet, you don't have to be 
physically present at the machine to work on it, so think big and towards 
lending a hand to whatever we get going, SVP! (Also-- Can some of you 
tell I read my Nan Parks this week? ANYway...)

> Notes to someone:  I lost both of the long postings re Komboa
> Ervin and Lenny Flank/ Philly lit.   Can someone break these into
> reasonable  /suggest no more than 12K per file/ size and post to
> the  iww.news@conf.igc.apc.org  *please and thank you?

I'll do that, Carlos, but only if you send me a go-ahead, as someone else 
might just do it on initiative and then you'd be soaking in it! I can do 
it at work... Also, I'll need a go-ahead from Philly on the LKE stuff, as 
they're actually physically printing it for for-sale distribution... 
actually, didn't FW Flank ask us not to boot the LV stuff either, as they 
sell it to raiose funds? Guerss we need an OK on that, too. Mebbe we 
could just do *plugs* for that and send *those* along... gee, would that 
make us producers of spam? Would net.folx hate us for it? What about the 
Hormel workers? Ah-- online ethics! Still-- something to think about. 
Online is like a cross between a printing press and a telephone. Way 
powerful, and we best keep that in mind as we establish presence(s) in 
the chaos. Spare a lot of hurt feelings and shit... 

> **********iww.news************ Note for everyone:   Please post
...

This is good news, and thanx for re-iterating it. Yea for our team!!!  *:)

> ...
> 
> Peace and Solidarity, Carlos Murray/Ottawa
> 

BTW, Sorry to those whom all the quoting may annoy-- it's an attempt on my
part to render the monologues of online into dialogues. (Hey, anyone out
there know Jill Shit about IRC?!? Not I, but another Potential...)

I'm so glad to see that all this is going on, too. Squishy feelings to 
you all...

In Solidarity True,
--Deke Nihilson, Faggot, X341697
I.U. 560, S.F. GMB

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Deke I think Jon Bekken should know the guy who does Spunk Press
archive from the old 1-union list, his name is Ian something I think and
he's a pretty cool guy, I reckon.   Did you ever get on aaa-list or any
of those others?  If you are interested let me know and I'll forward
addresses etc. to you.  I certainly think that the IWW summary you
posted here a while back is pretty close to being an IWW FAQ and should
be made avauilable on spunk as well as directly from us, by email
requwest if not direct internet right away.
For the abolition of all hierarchies,
wobbly@liberty.com
P.S. I
will be posting something soon about the anarchist participation in that
great anti prop-187 march last weekend, it was muy bueno!

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Deke Motif Nihilson writes:
>
>Wow Carlos-- this is *really* hot! Damn good work, FW!

Wow yourself Deke.  You're doing a real working class hero kind of
a job.
Mike


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I have my own account so could you change my address on your auto mailing 
list from gentryc@netcom.com to:
phazlewo@sl.csuhayward.edu
You can feel free to send me any union info. now that no boss will be 
reading my mail. 
I heard you met my daughter, Mira bai in LA. I'm very proud of my little 
anarchist.
FW Priscilla



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Deke,
I got my new address wrong. Here is the correction.

phazlewo@s1.csuhayward.edu

Sorry, could you resend any mail you might have sent?
Thx,
FW Priscilla

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Kris and Philip,

Howard Zinn says that we have to push the Democrats to the left
after voting for them.  If you're going to vote, I'd suggest that
you vote for more leftist candidates than voting for Democrats,
if you're strategy is to push THEM to the left.  At least then,
you'd be sending a message that they could see and assess after
the election.  You don't want to be taken for granted, do you?  
Another thing, on which Zinn, you and I might agree
though, is getting in the streets before, after and during the elections.
After all, this is really something that those holding political
power take in to account when making their bids to rule us.
FDR was no fool.  Workers were in streets demanding unemployment insurance
and social security.
With that in mind, I offer the below mentioned demo on behalf
our of our oppressed brother, Keith.
Mike Ballard--long time subscriber and Wobbly

P.S. 
On the sexual activity book and the relatively conservative quantities of said 
practice amongst our fellow Americans--could it be that their real
desires are continually sublimated in a sea of ads for commodities,
washed ashore by booze, tv and other legalized drugs?
Just asking; although the repression of pleasure does seem to be at the core
of the ruling Judeo-Christian ideology.  Well, at least to me, it does. 


DIRECT ACTION GETS SATISFACTION!
>Date: 25 Oct 1994 02:16:16 GMT
>Organization: Homes Not Jails
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>
>*****begin post*****
>
>Housing Is Our Right.  We'll Take Housing Before
>We Sleep on the Streets For Another Winter.
>
>Homes Not Jails Halloween Action: TRICKS AND TREATS!!
>
>Monday, October 31, 5:00 p.m.
>250 Taylor St. (at Ellis, across from Glide), San Francisco, CA
>
>Housing sits vacant all over the city.  People are dying on the
>streets.  Does this makes sense?  Winter is coming and all we get from
>Mayor Jordan is more and more of his Matrix harassment.  There is no
>affordable housing.  There are 2,000 shelter beds for 14,000 people.
>We get arrested for sleeping in the parks and soon simply sitting
>down may be illegal.
>
>Join us in a civil disobedience action or march with us and show your
>support.  We want responsible solutions for homelessness, not police
>crackdowns and lip service.
>
>TRICKS: Watch as vacant housing becomes housing for people who are homeless!
>
>TREATS: Free Food!  Free Candy!  Free Bicycle Giveaway!  Free Housing!
>
>Lots and Lots of Free Food & Other Stuff!
>*Plus music, speeches and plenty of action!*
>
>Vote No on Propositions M & N -- End the war on poor people!
>Vote Yes on Proposition I -- Save affordable housing!
>
>*****end post*****
>
>Also on Halloween, Monday 31 October '94 e.v.:
>
>At 8 a.m. the political trial of Keith McHenry is scheduled to begin, at
>the Hall of (In)Justice, 850 Bryant St. (between 6th and 7th Sts.)in S.F. 
>The call is to come in costume and bring trick or treat bags. Feeding the
>hungry is not a crime! 
>
>Also, if the Chron/Ex workers walk, it'll be at midnight, Halloween 
>night. They want support, and they want it in costume. You might call the 
>Conference of Newspaper Unions for more info, I think GHQ might know of 
>specific contact(s).  That's IWW GHQ.  Phone (415) 863-WOBS
>
>And Don't Forget: The workers at the Mark Hopkins Hotel are out on the 
>picket line-- that means every day. The cooks, maids, room service, 
>in-house operators, counter folx, etc. etc. could use your solidarity. 
>The hotel is at California and Mason Sts., the union is H.E.R.E. Local 2 
>(who won the three-year battle of attrition with the Parc 55, same kinda 
>struggle). You might drop by if you're in the 'hood...
>
>********** 
>


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Deke Motif Nihilson writes:
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>Cool...
>
>--Deke
>
Nice of you to say so.  Hope they take it in their heads to announce
this or interview somebody about it.
Mike


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Deke Motif Nihilson writes:
>
>BTW, you gonna go see Howard Zinn (for free, donation requested) in 
>th'People's Republic of Berzerkeley this Friday? It's during work hours, 
>but I'm gonna ditch for that, and hopefully FW Maile will be up here from 
>SC for it by then (though I dunno-- I just know we're doing the audit 
>this weekend). 
>
>ANYway...
>
>Soli,
>--Deke
>


Nah, I think not.  I don't trust my Fiat enough to go to Berkeley
at night.  I've got to feed my cats.  I'm trying to get things
going over here.  But then again, if I'm in the right mood and 
I get it together, I might be there.  
I sent my 7 extra copies of the IW to Jamal in Cambridge.  
Maybe I could pass out some IWW leaflets.  I did that for the
Chomsky thing at Stanford and then went back to work only to check
out again when I couldn't stand it anymore and go back to get the
last seat available.
I get a kick out of Chomsky, especially when he announces that he's
an anarcho--syndicalist--libertarian/socialist kind of a guy.
Zinn is more problematic for me because of his penchant for saying
all this critical stuff and then ultimately voting for the Democratic
Party.
If I lived in Berkeley though, I'd probably show up for the event--
showing my Wobbly colors of course.
Mike

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deke@fido.wps.com writes:

>> Subject: Shorter Workweek
>> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 94 00:17:15 -0500
>> Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)
>> 
>> You and I have an opportunity to make a huge beneficial change in the
>> way we Americans work and live. We can join a growing movement in
>> this country to curb overtime and CUT THE WORKWEEK.
>> 

>> -Juliet Schor, Harvard economist and author of "the Overworked American"

I wrote to Juliet last week about her observations in the latest issue
of Vital Speeches.  She indeed does think that we should be pushing for
a shorter work week; but she thinks the reason we don't have it now is
because workers are just taking the increased wealth being produced in
the ever expanding GDP back in increased wages.  I've sent her info about
how wages have stagnated and await a reply.  Meanwhile, I think the IWW
should add its voice to all workers who wish to shorten the work week.
We should also point out that we've been advocating this for years.
Let's let them know that there IS a union out there which they can join
to further this most worthy effort.
X334260

>> Posted by Andrew Nowicki, anowicki@delphi.com
>> 
>
>


From mdamore@moose.uvm.edu Mon Oct 31 10:26:40 1994
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Hey FW:
	Mike D' here.  I've been having problems with my e-mail.  The 
moose "server" crashed and I think I was cut off from all of my lists.  
If you get this could you send me a response.  I think I was whiped off 
of IWW list too.

Confused but still in soli,

Mike D'

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Fellow workers, I'll be offline, travelling, from Nov.2-24.

Cheers, Carlos Murray Ottawa IWW

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Travel plans cancelled.  I'll be on terminal for November.  Sorry
about the waffles.

Carlos Murray

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Hey Carlos, Hey Deke, Hey all you FWs out there:
	Just got Carlos's message re: he's not leaving for whereever he 
was leaving.  Just got me email back a few hours ago.  I was disabled for 
a few days but now I'm back and all the back messages are pouring in at a 
staggering rate.  Anyway, I'm just sending this out because I sent a few 
"feeler" messages in a bottle the last few days to see how extensive my 
problem was.  No prob now anyhow.  So talk to ya soon.

Soli,
Mike D'

