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From: Don Fong <dfong@cse.ucsc.edu>
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To: deke@fido.wps.com, pfrankli@well.sf.ca.us, vad@fido.wps.com
Subject: nonviolence
Cc: dfong@cse.ucsc.edu, rpaulson@ucscb.ucsc.edu
Status: OR

    At thursday's FNB meeting, Chris's behavior was worse than i've ever seen.
His behaviors included:
	* the usual shouting and wild armwaving
	* the usual paranoid accusations and ranting against Kim
	* violent smashing of hand into fist
	* repeated verbal threats against myself
	* shouting within 3 inches of my face
	* circling around, trying to get behind me

    He growled something like "I'm going to get you Fong".  He repeatedly
stated that he was "tired of the mental" and was going to "get physical".
    The group told Chris to leave, and he eventually did, grumbling threats.
    Keith (who put together the FNB benefit show weds) stated outright that
were he subjected to the kind of abuse Kim and Robert receive, he'd quit.
Keith said the same thing i did last week: "Chris is going to hurt someone".
    The meeting ended about an hour later.  Everyone hung around chatting.
Chris came back, and immediately resumed his threatening behavior.  Again he
was told to leave.  In fact, we all left.  As we were leaving, Chris was
still ranting at Kim.  Kim had to put up her arms and yell "Get away
from me Chris!"
    I've blocked weapons trucks.  I've been in "maximum security".  I've
biked at night through the "bad" parts of town.  I'm a calm person not
easily intimidated.  But i now feel unsafe participating in FNB.  Is it
realistic to expect volunteers to put up with this kind of abuse?
    Chris's behavior is not nonviolent.  The ignoring of threats against
Kim and others, is not nonviolent.  The warning signals are going off.
Chris is going to hurt someone.  It is not nonviolent to simply let it
to happen.
    IMHO, of course.

--- Don Fong


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From: Don Fong <dfong@cse.ucsc.edu>
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To: deke@fido.wps.com, pfrankli@well.sf.ca.us, rpaulson@ucscb.ucsc.edu
Subject: nonviolence
Status: OR

I originally sent this as a response just to Vad,
but you might as well see it too.
-------------------------------------------------
[...]
    Celine has a friend (Bonnie Schell) at the mental health resource
center, and suggested i call.  I did.  The downtown mental health guy
(Dennis Johnson) is going to check on Chris.  This could result in Chris
getting professional help; or getting locked up again.  Bonnie Schell also
agreed to come to an FNB meeting sometime in the future.
    I also followed Kim's suggestion and wrote Chris a letter.  (Evidently
Chris is aware he has problems communicating verbally, and has asked people
to put things in writing).
    Of course these steps are not necessarily a solution, but something
needed to be done, and the group was deadlocked.  I'm not thrilled with the
idea of having anyone locked up.  I'm still working for a less drastic
solution.  But IF that is the only alternative to having him run rampant at
every FNB gathering, THEN i support it and am willing to take responsibility
for it.  [...]

--- Don Fong

From dfong@cse.ucsc.edu Wed Jul 20 00:46:58 1994
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From: Don Fong <dfong@cse.ucsc.edu>
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Subject: clippings
Cc: dfog@cse.ucsc.edu
Status: OR

thanks for sending the clippings.
are you also sending them to the other online members of santa cruz FNB?
also, why aren't you posting them to the fnb newsgroup?
i do appreciate the info, just curious.

From dfong@cse.ucsc.edu Wed Jul 20 02:19:05 1994
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From: Don Fong <dfong@cse.ucsc.edu>
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Subject: Re: clippings
Cc: dfong@cse.ucsc.edu
Status: OR

>The only other eddress for FNB/SC folx that I have is:
>rpaulson@ucscb.ucsc.edu
>
>If I knew of others, I'd gladly add them to my mail-lists.
    FWIW, all i have is:
	Maile		sciww@fido.wps.com
	Vad		vad@fido.wps.com
	Paul Franklin	pfrankli@well.sf.ca.us
which i assume you have already.
    The question now becomes, are you sending the clippings to
rpaulson@ucscb.ucsc.edu ?

>Also, um... I don't really do newsgroups, except spastically and in 
>crisis mode. Feel free to lend a hand in that respect, comrade...
    Whatever.  The point is that i don't want to create confusion
by forwarding stuff to recipients you have already covered.

    Thanks again.

--- Don Fong

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From: Don Fong <dfong@cse.ucsc.edu>
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To: celine@cruzio.com, deke@fido.wps.com, pfrankli@well.sf.ca.us,
        rpaulson@ucscb.ucsc.edu, sciww@fido.wps.com, vad@fido.wps.com
Subject: nonviolence
Cc: dfong@cse.ucsc.edu
Status: OR

To Celine, Deke, Maile, Paul Franklin, Robert Flory, Vad:

This message is an attempt to organize my thoughts.
I hope it will be useful to others, but if not just ignore it.
To begin, in my opinion the problem can be framed as follows.
I'd welcome anyone else's submission of a better framing.

PROBLEM DEFINED
1. Chris is likely to injure someone.
2. Volunteers feel unsafe around Chris.
A good solution should address both points 1 and 2.

KNOWN CONSTRAINTS
A. A good solution should be humane, inexpensive, fair, and nonviolent.
B. Expulsion may be unacceptable to some FNB members.

BRAINSTORM --- POSSIBLE ACTIONS
Some of these ideas came out of conversations with Kim and Celine.  I'll
admit right off the bat that ALL of these ideas are flawed.  Some of them
are really raw.  But perhaps a combination or refinement will lead
somewhere.  In a brainstorm, one doesn't explain or defend one's ideas; nor
judge others' ideas.  This is a thorny problem, and i think we need to cast
a wide net initially.  What follows is only a start.  (This list could be
better organized and/or synthesized, but it's late and i have to work
tomorrow.)  Please don't focus just on shooting down these ideas: come up
with better ones!  At some point in the process, i think we should
systematically give at least a moment's consideration to EVERY idea
submitted by anyone.

* Wait and see if it gets worse (assuming 1 is false).
* Prepare strategies for defusing or coping with violence on the spot
  (leaving, confronting, surrounding, calling the cops, etc).
* Restrict Chris's participation in FNB activities.
* Create a "special" safe role in FNB for Chris.
* Create a "buddy" who can control Chris.
* Force Chris to affirm and uphold the nonviolence oath
  (possibly leading to expulsion).
* Set conditions on Chris's participation (possibly leading to expulsion).
* Expel Chris from FNB.
* Ensure Chris gets counselling (or medication, vitamins, or whatever).
* Hypnosis.
* Find housing for Chris.
* Make friends with Chris.
* Write letters to Chris.
* Try (harder) to reason with Chris.
* Pursue a "5150".
* Invite Bonnie Schell and/or Dennis Johnson to a FNB gathering.
* Try different things and see what works.
<INSERT YOUR IDEAS>

    Thanks for your attention.

--- Don Fong

