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See you there. I'll bring my black & red flag (which I have a pole for). If
you have any pink or lavender ribbons to bedeck the pole or lace through the
grommets bring them.
--
  Edward Elhauge  | God said it.           I heard voices.
 Lever Industries | I believe it.          Facts confuse me.
   San Francisco  | That settles it.       You're going to live by my rules.
   ee@lever.com   | 

From notes@igc.apc.org Thu Jun 23 08:57:06 1994
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Greetings Edward E,

Thanks for your response and willingness to host iww.news
facilities.  Thanks also for mentioning your position relative to
IWW, WSA/IWA, and interpersonal relationships -- I thought it was
something like that, but thanks for making it clear up front..

The conference is working reasonably well on APC, however we wish
to make it more generally accessible by routing through additional
facilities.

At the moment, the only way for non-APC users to use the conf, is
for me to tell APC to add them to a mailing list. Although, anyone
can send to it.

Further developments have occured since I wrote you, a couple of
IWW members now have the ability to set up FTP and other services
-- in San Francisco.

I'm not sure what they will come up with, but I anticipate some
way to SUB, perhaps a mailing list besides, and perhaps a
breakdown into several conf's with categories, and archive
functions.   It's all blurry to me, but I hope we can accomodate
the diverse needs of users with a variety of functions.

At the same time, the more organized our online services, the
better users will be able to utilize the information effectively.


The whole thing with internet it seems to me is that the
information is all connected, the people are all connected.  So in
the progressive labor movement we want to have easy connections,
automatic or nearly automatic connections with each other.
Versatile, with a range of options for the user.

That is to say, a person will have a choice as to how much
information she automatically gets,  then the next stage is the
information that is very easy to access -- those sources which are
closest related to that persons individual activism. And so on,
with ultimately everything being accessible.

For example, I would like to check out 1-UNION once in a while,
but I don't want to clog up my mailbox by getting the sub
fulltime, because it's not the top priority for me.  The method of
the conference on APC, you can scan the message titles and only
look at the ones of interest.

To wit, I would like to see 1-UNION made interactive with whatever
we come up with.  This kind of discussion is always current among
IWW members, and a wider user base is good.

To the same wit, a very easy to use interactive communication
between IWW, WSA/IWA, and the similar groups in other countries.
And this also needs to be open to workers anywhere to ask about
joining, request solidarity, etc.    And the next, lower priority
stage, interaction with the labor and social progressive groups.

Easy to use means versatile, as interactive as possible.

In solidarity, Carlos Murray - Ottawa

***

We ought to discuss whether or not, the week after capitalism
implodes, we as the community organizations should continue to
maintain the telephone companies, in order to have communication.
Perhaps the best strategy would be to immediately assist the
telephone workers to organize on the basis of being ready to run
the industry for the benefit of the people, in the event of no
more wages or profits due to the collapse of global capital.  We
would have to give them food and things like that.

Control of communication may be an important factor in the ensuing
chaos!

From deke Thu Jun 23 17:32:11 1994
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Subject: workin' that net RAW...
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Hey, Comrade! Deke here. Got passed along some mail from Carlos Murray, 
about setting up some sorta rad-union hostessing site for the benefit of 
the denizens of the virtual community. He alluded to folx here in the 
City are looking at setting up some sorta thing for the wobs, and as you 
mighta guessed, they is *me*. 

Rather than getting all silly and territorial second-circuit about it, 
let's do something together! Also, Patrick of AK Press is interested in 
doing some rad, sexy www-type stuff. He's on the road right now, but we 
was planning to get together when he gets back...

Let's make it a three-way! *;)
Because, of course, Together We Can Do Things That We Cannot Do Alone... 

In Solidarity
(nothing "virtual" about it!)
Your Comrade, --Deke
 

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In message <199406231732.KAA14020@wps.com>, Deke Motif Nihilson writes:
>Hey, Comrade! Deke here. Got passed along some mail from Carlos Murray, 
>about setting up some sorta rad-union hostessing site for the benefit of 
>the denizens of the virtual community. He alluded to folx here in the 
>City are looking at setting up some sorta thing for the wobs, and as you 
>mighta guessed, they is *me*. 
>
>Rather than getting all silly and territorial second-circuit about it, 
>let's do something together! Also, Patrick of AK Press is interested in 
>doing some rad, sexy www-type stuff. He's on the road right now, but we 
>was planning to get together when he gets back...
>
>Let's make it a three-way! *;)
>Because, of course, Together We Can Do Things That We Cannot Do Alone... 

Let's talk. It would be good if you administered the IWW list. I could give
technical advice and get it started. We could either host it on one of my
machines or, if Tom will let you on one of his machines. I wouldn't mind
hosting it; that way there could be one more administrator to kick start the
system if I went out of town.
--
  Edward Elhauge  |                        | "Pollution is a symptom of man's
 Lever Industries |   ee@lever.com         |  inability to transform waste."
   San Francisco  |                        |                   -- Patti Smith

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To: ee@lever.com (Edward Elhauge)
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> Let's talk. It would be good if you administered the IWW list. I could give
> technical advice and get it started. We could either host it on one of my
> machines or, if Tom will let you on one of his machines. I wouldn't mind
> hosting it; that way there could be one more administrator to kick start the
> system if I went out of town.

Tom's already offered the space to the IWW via me; I certainly feel no 
need to be exclusivist about it. Um, as for its administration (by me/us 
is the requirement that comes with TJs offer, and a reasonable one it is 
methinks), I'd be glad to do it but I don't know *shit* about doing that. 
I'd love to learn, but would be learning it like I've learnt everything-- 
by Fucken Doing It. (Punque Rocque enuff for ya?)

I'm ready to make Commitments in this regard, and likewise would need 
someone covering my spatial-presence back...

Let's talk, indeed!

In Solidarity True,
--Deke

P.S. I got e-mail from an old friend of mine in K.C. MO-- her sister 
subscribes to the 1-UNION mlg. list. Ain't it *funny* how the world keeps 
shrinking...


-- 

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Dear FW Carlos,
As I know Ed rather well, I fired off an e-letter to him on this subject, 
and he's interested in working together. Also, I've been talking with the 
guy who does AK Press about doing various rad, sexy things with www, 
mebbe domain-type stuff. Looks like something's congealing into 
possibilities that can *work out*...

Thanks for keeping on it too!

In Solidarity,
--Deke Nihilson, x341697
S.F. GMB, IWW
 

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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:36:31 -0700
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In message <199406232317.QAA14722@wps.com>, Deke Motif Nihilson writes:
>> Let's talk. It would be good if you administered the IWW list. I could give
>> technical advice and get it started. We could either host it on one of my
>> machines or, if Tom will let you on one of his machines. I wouldn't mind
>> hosting it; that way there could be one more administrator to kick start the
>> system if I went out of town.
>
>Tom's already offered the space to the IWW via me; I certainly feel no 
>need to be exclusivist about it. Um, as for its administration (by me/us 

Don't worry about exclusivist; I have more to do than I can cope with.
Right now the stuff I like to do is one shot things that don't commit me
permanently. Helping you do this fits right in.

>is the requirement that comes with TJs offer, and a reasonable one it is 
>methinks), I'd be glad to do it but I don't know *shit* about doing that. 
>I'd love to learn, but would be learning it like I've learnt everything-- 
>by Fucken Doing It. (Punque Rocque enuff for ya?)
>
>I'm ready to make Commitments in this regard, and likewise would need 
>someone covering my spatial-presence back...

OK. First the 1-union list runs on something called TULP, but I think that
another program called MAJORDOMO is better. I have a 6 month old version of
it but there is probably a newer one on the net.

If you don't know how to use ARCHIE to find its FTP site I can give you
instructions.
--
  Edward Elhauge  |                        | "War is like love;
 Lever Industries |   ee@lever.com         |  it always finds a way."
   San Francisco  |                        |        -- Bertold Brecht

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From: deke@fido.wps.com (Deke Motif Nihilson)

Dear FW Carlos,
As I know Ed rather well, I fired off an e-letter to him on this subject, 
and he's interested in working together. Also, I've been talking with the 
guy who does AK Press about doing various rad, sexy things with www, 
mebbe domain-type stuff. Looks like something's congealing into 
possibilities that can *work out*...

Thanks for keeping on it too!

In Solidarity,
--Deke Nihilson, x341697
S.F. GMB, IWW
 

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In message <199406232354.QAA14803@wps.com>, Deke Motif Nihilson writes:
>> OK. First the 1-union list runs on something called TULP, but I think that
>> another program called MAJORDOMO is better. I have a 6 month old version of
>> it but there is probably a newer one on the net.
>> 
>> If you don't know how to use ARCHIE to find its FTP site I can give you
>> instructions.
>
>I've heard of it, so I thought we *must* have it here, but nope.
>
>I've never archie'd...
>
>--Deke

Try typing:
	archie -ts -m 100 -h archie.unl.edu majordomo
It should give you a list of FTP sites with the majordomo program in it.

I have:
	majordomo-1.62

So if you cann't find a newer version than this tell me.

I'm letting you do this because this the general recipe for finding things
on the Internet.
--
  Edward Elhauge ) "There was a young lady named Bright,
 Lever Industries )  Whose speed was far faster than light;
    San Francisco )  She set out one day | In a relative way,
    ee@lever.com )  And returned home the previous night. -- Prof Arthur Buller

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>From deke Thu Jun 23 23:54:42 1994
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To: ee@lever.com (Edward Elhauge)
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> OK. First the 1-union list runs on something called TULP, but I think that
> another program called MAJORDOMO is better. I have a 6 month old version of
> it but there is probably a newer one on the net.
> 
> If you don't know how to use ARCHIE to find its FTP site I can give you
> instructions.

I've heard of it, so I thought we *must* have it here, but nope.

I've never archie'd...

--Deke
 


